Well, yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. That's more than enough reason to get him off the case. Go for that specifically, rather than just complaining that he's an out-of-touch posho (which of course he is).
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As a union rep on my work's Joint Consultative Cttee, I was pretty shocked yesterday as a top boss read through their response to the Grenfell fire in an "I can't be bothered with all this red tape" voice. He was then bombarded with examples of blocked fire exits, missing signs, faulty alarms, no fire drills for years etc that soon changed his expression and tone.
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Originally posted by Felicity, I guess so View PostAs a union rep on my work's Joint Consultative Cttee, I was pretty shocked yesterday as a top boss read through their response to the Grenfell fire in an "I can't be bothered with all this red tape" voice. He was then bombarded with examples of blocked fire exits, missing signs, faulty alarms, no fire drills for years etc that soon changed his expression and tone.
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Grenfell: fire-proof cladding specified by architects used only on ground floor
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...y_to_clipboard
No surprise this.
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Joe Delaney was on the Today Programme on Radio 4 this morning, he was again logical and rational when speaking. From 1.22.20 on the link below.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08wmk8kLast edited by Antepli Ejderha; 07-07-2017, 10:44.
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It took 24 minutes from the first call out to dispatch a 30m aerial platform to the fire. They also had to call in a 60m aerial platform from Surrey. London Fire Brigade does not own a 60m aerial platform, despite the fact that London has the top ten tallest buildings in the UK, and 44 of the top 50. Also Matt Wrack was saying on the BBC News that there are now only two counsellors for the whole of the London Fire Brigade to deal with Post-traumatic stress, cut from 14 under the previous Mayor Boris Johnson. The British press needs to confront this fucker over the cuts made during his tenure.
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Emma Dent Coad, give it up, please.
https://twitter.com/daily_politics/s...00278726311936
Martin Moore-Bick can't chair the inquiry because residents of Grenfell fear they'll be socially cleansed, apparently. I thought the problem was the remit was too narrow, and he was just going to look at the causes and spread of the fire?
And she knows (never having met him) that he "doesn't understand human beings".
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Originally posted by Bizarre Löw Triangle View PostIsn't the issue with this judge his past rulings in favour of local councils socially cleansing working class tenants?
Specifically his decision that tenants who turn down houses 50 miles from their support network can be treated as "intentionally homeless"?
How many of his other judgements are you familiar with? Lawyers seem to think he's OK.
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Originally posted by Bizarre Löw Triangle View PostNot like judges have a history of supporting the establishment, is it? Or that there's a history of judicial cover-ups/whitewashes of state abuses and violence.
This technocratic reverence with which "serious" people talk about the judiciary is a cancer. The judiciary is a bunch of old, publicly-schooled, white men making decisions that back the status quo. Sure, they're independent of the government but that doesn't mean they're on the side of residents of council estates.
He was educated at The Skinners' School, Tunbridge Wells,
Law is a bit "technocratic", I should think. I've no idea why that's an insult for the judiciary. As it happens, I think the general public do trust judges. They were the most trusted profession after doctors and teachers in the survey I just looked at, beating scientists- which is pretty impressive considering all the shit they get from the media about being out of touch softy old fools. As doctors and teachers never do anything like presiding over an inquiry, let's go for a judge.Last edited by Tubby Isaacs; 09-07-2017, 15:34.
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Grenfell Tower investigation starting point is 80 deaths by manslaughter, police say
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...y_to_clipboard
Some of the details in here are horrific.
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Originally posted by Levin View PostChrist. Just the thought of 999 calls from trapped residents is chilling. How could you cope if you were on the other end?
Sorry, I'm not going to hunt out articles just now, but I got angry on FB last night at so many bar-stool pathologists who "can easily tell" that there were hundreds of people in there, but "they" are covering it up and not telling us the "body count".
Now, people mistrust the police, whereas in the 80s (when there were so many miscarriages of justice) and even after Hillsborough, they were widely believed. Maybe people are jumping on this bandwagon as they were caught on the wrong side of history before.
It reminds me of something AJP Taylor wrote, how in WWI there were stories of German atrocities that were entirely fictional; but during WWII rumours of death camps were dismissed as fanciful.
Firefighters managed to get dozens if not hundreds of people to safety, it's what they do. They will be forever haunted by those they couldn't save.
People boorishly exclaiming "only 89 dead?? It was easily in the hundreds! Tell us the truth!" are really not helping anyone, nor showing respect to victims, relatives and those working on that terrible front line.Last edited by MsD; 12-07-2017, 11:14.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40632705
Dozens of cases of electrical surges reported before the fatal fire
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Grenfell fire: deputy council leader says he was unaware of residents' concerns
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...y_to_clipboard
I saw him on TV this morning and he appeared to be completely out of touch and responded in cliches.
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David Lammy urges Grenfell inquiry chair to 'uncover the truth'
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...y_to_clipboard
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Met says Grenfell Tower council 'may have committed corporate manslaughter'
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...y_to_clipboard
Is this as important as it sounds?
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Grenfell fire inquiry may have to suspend work if CPS brings charges
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...y_to_clipboard
FFS. This is going to go down well.
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