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    #76
    He's looking for a fight and taking on the fire service after this is just stupidity. Perhaps it may help to bring this privileged twat down.

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      #77
      Brilliantly damning about May here http://mailchi.mp/politics/politics-...s?e=9313018166

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        #78
        Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
        A very accessible piece that.

        May is really looking more and more incompetent and with the Brexit negotiations due to start on Monday she must be very close to being removed by her own party unless they use her as the object of hate and derision to further their own agenda.

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          #79
          Council to clarify rehousing statement

          Kensington and Chelsea council is rowing back on its statement that it may not be able to house all the surviving victims of the Grenfell Tower fire in the local area.

          A spokesman said its statement sent out at 1.46pm was “wrong”.

          It said:

          While we will try do our utmost to ensure those affected remain in or near the borough, given the number of households involved, it is possible the council will have to explore housing options that may become available in other parts of the capital.

          The housing minister Alok Sharma told MPs on Thursday that the government guaranteed “that every single family” from the Tower would be rehoused in the local area.
          I have no idea what they were thinking. Are they just trying to provoke people?

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            #80
            The magnitude of PTSD in that part of West London is going to be huge. Not only for the survivors from the tower itself, but also everyone in the area who saw the blaze or heard the victims. Will extra funds be allocated?

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              #81
              Originally posted by Antepli Ejderha View Post
              I have no idea what they were thinking. Are they just trying to provoke people?
              Mixture of trying to be honest and incompetence, I suppose. There could be huge numbers of people from tower blocks in Central London needing to be rehoused.

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                #82
                Originally posted by Amor de Cosmos View Post
                I read it as others. Rydon would be the principle, and sub out the actual work to dozens of sub-trades.

                I don't see "fast" in my quote above. However speed is always part of the equation. What never changes is the production "triangle." It doesn't matter whether you're building flats, shopping centres, or magazines. There's Speed, Cost, and Quality and a project manager should always expect, and be able to deliver, two out of three. Which two he/she chooses however is crucial. Unfortunately only the first two are objectively measurable, the third frequently requires experience to evaluate. Which refers back to the point in my previous post. If the person with oversight responsibility lacks the requisite knowledge and experience then they tend to fall back on the first two, because they're easier to justify. So all too frequently, fast & cheap win the day.
                "Fast" was my word, Amor, as in "fast buck". Apologies for confusion.

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                  #83
                  Tubbs, the original rehousing promise only related to Grenfell. That's what they are backing away from, not any kind of broader commitment.

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                    #84
                    Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
                    Tubbs, the original rehousing promise only related to Grenfell. That's what they are backing away from, not any kind of broader commitment.
                    They've released a statement saying they'll try to rehouse locally or in neighbouring boroughs if they can. The statement is also trying to avoid committing to anything with lots of words but no promises. Are they hoping to buy some time before the weekend?

                    How much of this is now down to the cuts and sub contracting out everything that you are only left with accountants to run things?

                    Corbyn is going to benefit from this because he has genuinely been against this neo liberalism for years, the similarities to other events where disaster capitalists circled like vultures is becoming a little too familiar.

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                      #85
                      Is Grenfell going to be like Aberfan?

                      http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...y-12025941.amp

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                        #86
                        Ah that's incredibly incompetent. Something bigger needs to be able to take over from the Council in this situation. FEMA and Katrina might not be the best omen, but you get the idea.

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                          #87
                          It looked like it was going to kick off then as council staff were being escorted out.

                          That's all everybody needs.

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                            #88
                            They're trying to storm the council offices.

                            I have to say, I have been more upset over this than the recent terrorist attacks in London and Manchester. Not because I'm callous or anything, but we can't really stop terrorist attacks. Grenfell should never have been allowed to happen.

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                              #89
                              https://m.youtube.com/watch?lc=z13xg...&v=bWH2w3bJRoQ

                              This guy speaking is excellent, he is a resident of the tower block, much of what he says is in the media but a few things I've heard for the first time.

                              Firstly the fire engines could not access the tower along the roads because they were too narrow or had boulards on them.

                              Secondly we've all seen that a small section of the building has survived seemingly less badly damaged, they were the council offices.

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                                #90
                                Originally posted by Antepli Ejderha View Post
                                https://m.youtube.com/watch?lc=z13xg...&v=bWH2w3bJRoQ

                                This guy speaking is excellent, he is a resident of the tower block, much of what he says is in the media but a few things I've heard for the first time.

                                Firstly the fire engines could not access the tower along the roads because they were too narrow or had boulards on them..
                                I've never been there so please excuse me if I'm utterly wrong, but I just had a look on Google Earth and you can see this is probably true, the nearest bit a pedestrian walkway, you can see the distance from the end of the nearest road to the tower block.



                                Originally posted by Antepli Ejderha View Post
                                Secondly we've all seen that a small section of the building has survived seemingly less badly damaged, they were the council offices.
                                I hope this is just a weird coincidence, but why do I get the feeling there may be more to this. I did find it weird how one corner had survived so much better. It has to be coincidence or the way the air moved the flame surely?

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                                  #91
                                  When I first saw that corner Tubby I just thought like you, now I'm thinking that those offices had something that others in the block didn't have.

                                  Another addition to the building were gas pipes, where we they located? In the only stair well.

                                  How the fuck did this get signed off by buildings regulators if this is true?

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                                    #92
                                    You can't really rule anything out, can you?

                                    May seems to have finally put out a comprehensive-sounding statement, read out on by the Sky reporter. I don't know if she was leaving it to the council before, but couldn't she have got that together a couple of days ago?

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                                      #93
                                      Another addition to the building were gas pipes, where we they located? In the only stair well.

                                      How the fuck did this get signed off by buildings regulators if this is true?

                                      Cos regulations are pisswater, cos there's a lack of funds or will for proper oversight. Like the PFI schools in Scotland, I'd imagine this is bigger than just London or social housing. The gimcrack bullshit in Salford Quays etc could do with a thorough inspection as well.
                                      Last edited by Lang Spoon; 16-06-2017, 16:56.

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                                        #94
                                        From yesterday.

                                        Britain Elects‏ @britainelects Jun 15
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                                        Public opinion towards...

                                        May:
                                        Favourable: 29% (-13)
                                        Unfavourable: 63% (+16)

                                        Corbyn:
                                        Fav: 46% (+10)
                                        Unfav: 46% (-4)
                                        (via @YouGov, 11-12)

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                                          #95
                                          Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                                          Another addition to the building were gas pipes, where we they located? In the only stair well.

                                          How the fuck did this get signed off by buildings regulators if this is true?

                                          Cos regulations are pisswater, cos there's a lack of funds or will for proper oversight. Like the PFI schools in Scotland, I'd imagine this is bigger than just London or social housing. The gimcrack bullshit in Salford Quays etc could do with a thorough inspection as well.
                                          Yeah, I think it could be like Hatfield in terms of bringing a whole industry to a halt.

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                                            #96
                                            May has announced £5 million of aid and said all residents would be housed locally, meaning children could go to the same school as before.

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                                              #97
                                              King’s College hospital is to lodge a complaint with the press watchdog over a journalist who allegedly impersonated a friend of a victim of the Grenfell Tower fire in order to get an interview with him.

                                              The hospital is to file a complaint with the Independent Press Standards Organisation (Ipso) about the behaviour of the Sun reporter. It has also written to News UK, the publisher of the Sun, Times and Sunday Times, about the incident.
                                              Didn't this sort of thing come up a few years ago? Thanks to Mr Cameron for making sure nothing changed.

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                                                #98
                                                Theresa May getting a hammering from Sky News interviewer about the response so far. She is making a hash of it, even though she's actually announcing what sounds like a comprehensive plan.

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                                                  #99
                                                  Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post
                                                  Theresa May getting a hammering from Sky News interviewer about the response so far. She is making a hash of it, even though she's actually announcing what sounds like a comprehensive plan.
                                                  She avoided meeting locals again today. Going to the hospital, for a strong and concerned photo-op, I hope relatives tell her to fuck the fuck off from their loved ones' ward. Doesn't matter if her action plan is all good, she has ruined everything by hiding away again. It was pathetic enough during the campaign, but if ever there was a time for strong leadership, facing the people, it was after this. Too late now, they would rightfully lynch her and her filth praetorian guard.

                                                  She's toast.
                                                  Last edited by Lang Spoon; 16-06-2017, 17:30.

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                                                    Same here, it’s absolutely dreadful and I can hardly bear reading about it without feeling terribly angry, it reminds me of the terrible Cinq-Sept disco disaster near Grenoble in 1970 (142 dead and 50 injured) and the Alcala 20 disco tragedy in Madrid (84 deaths) when I used to go to Madrid to party during the post Franco Movida Madrileña movement era (I was studying Spanish at the time – I’m of Spanish extraction – as well as English).

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