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    Although we are in 2017, a 'sports' magazine still fills the lull between the superbowl and baseball season with an entire issue of photos of female models in bikinis. The link with sports is not evident.

    I can't remember the last time I wore a swimsuit to the beach. I'm not alone. According to a 2009 survey by that most prestigious of sources, the Tesco supermarket, almost one-third of women say that wearing a swimsuit is what they dread most about their holiday. One in eight won't go to the beach or poolside; one in ten avoids going on holiday at all. Nearly half of all swimwear purchased is never worn.

    The bikini has become associated with confidence. The models in the swimsuit issue are not demure or even coquettish any more. They look right into the camera, or are completely oblivious to it, absorbed in the gorgeous landscape, the sensuous ocean, the playful labour of selling a dream. My body would desecrate that landscape. Paradise (I tell myself as I look at this representation of it) is conditioned by my absence from it.

    Which comes first: the sleek, tanned, slender body, or the confidence to display it?

    Ten percent of Sports Illustrated's annual budget is spent on the swimsuit issue. It reaches more young men (aged 18-34) than the superbowl. It is the subject of an absurd marketing drive which seeks, in annoyingly teasy terms, to tickle the fancy of its audience before the release date. Who will be the cover girl this year?

    Between 2000 and 2011, a woman was the main attraction on the cover of just 30 of Sports Illustrated's 728 issues. The swimsuit issue accounted for 12 of them.

    Men act; women appear.

    Perhaps no other item of clothing has become as aggressive to (white?) women's body image as the swimsuit. The sidebar of shame frequently trails its non-stories of celebrity bikini mishaps with the adjective 'unforgiving'. So many things can look wrong, so much of us can get exposed. All of the toxic pressures on women to fit in to the ideals of the supermodel and the beauty contestant materialise in that dispiriting moment, there behind the curtain in the dingy nook of a high street retailer, when we try on a swimsuit.

    Men look at women. Women watch themselves being looked at.

    For a moment I am picturing the model from the tropical island, lips parted, her defiant gaze beaming at me from the changing room mirror. Own your body, she whispers. Be confident. Be yourself. Because you're worth it. Or some such platitude.

    So I swing my body around, draw in my shoulders, open out my fingers and rest them on my hip. I look fucking massive.

    I'm reminded of the time I played racketball on a crowded beach against an older woman I did not know. She was heavy-set and a bit wrinkly, but agile and relentless. I could tell she'd been a sporty person in her day. I wore my usual vest top and jean shorts, she was in nothing but a silver thong. She beat me handily. But nobody got to watch my arse wobble all over the place, so I felt like the real winner.

    If Sports Illustrated has taught me one thing, it's that proficiency counts for nothing.

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    It's always been ludicrous, but has gotten significantly more pernicious through my lifetime.

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      #3
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      What an excellent but terribly sad post, laverte. I wish you knew how little your body shape matters me to, but I also wish you didn't give fuck what I think. It's a horribly complicated subject, regardless.

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        Laverte: I am not sure that "confidence" is the right word. I certainly don't have the body of an Adonis (no MP comments, thanks), but I realised a few years ago, that I actually don't give a fuck what people think of the way I look, even on a beach. Admittedly, any body issues I may have had are because I was too skinny.

        But it can be very difficult to get to my frame of mind, when your entire gender is constantly being bombarded by what someone outside your 'grouping' thinks you should look like. However, the "Fuck-em-all" mindset can be a very nice place to be.

        One should try to remember that (generally) you are doing things for you, not for anyone else.

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          #5
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          I don't think I've ever taken my shirt off in public apart from a couple of times taking the cub swimming. And even then I spent the whole time under water and mortified.
          And that's with a lot less social pressure than I'd get as a woman. It must be unbearable.

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            #6
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            I'm in Gero's camp, body image-wise. I'm a really thin 50 year old man. I have a slight belly (as you would being skinny as fuck) and a hideous tuft of grey chest hair. I'm more aware of myself than ever in my life, but also more 'who gives a fuck', too.

            For every person looking at you who's thinking "that's awful", there's one looking at you thinking "that's sexy". Ignore them both.

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              #7
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              WOM, if I was looking at you, I'd be thinking "Is that a mirror?"

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                #8
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                I hate my body and always have. It's shit. Even at it's best, it was slow and cumbersome, and exercise has never had much impact on my depression. Some, but not much. I'm a "non-responder," I guess. I want to download my mind into a cyborg body or transcend into a being of pure spirit. And I'm not really fond of the beach, regardless. I like the ocean, just not the hot, crowded, sandy bit on the edge.

                I have nothing to add about the social pressures on women. There are pressures on men too, as evidenced by the incidence of bulimia and anorexia among men, but it's demonstrably worse for women.

                Not sure why the Swimsuit issue is still a thing. At one point, it was the only way that adolescent boys could see that sort of thing without shoplifting porn. But that hasn't been true for a long time. Branding, I suppose.

                I don't really see the point of Sports Illustrated either. At one point, it had the best writing and pictures in sports and subscribing to SI was the only way to get that sort of thing. (It also had/has some old-white-man blowhards who should be skipped).

                It still has some good writers and photographers. But now it's so easy to access great writing and in depth analysis on the specific sport one is interested in, there's not much point in paying for a lot of articles on all the stuff one doesn't care about.* I can't imagine I'm particularly rare as a sports fan in only being interested in a few sports rather than all of them.

                *I care about hockey, soccer, and baseball, my local teams, and am curious about cricket and rugby. I don't care much about basketball, NFL, 99% of college football, MMA, boxing, tennis, golf, most of the olympics, or motorsports and I think horse racing should be banned.

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                  #9
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                  A couple of weeks ago at a beach in Argentina, some sad twat saw three women sunbathing topless and called the police to complain. A judge just this weekend confirmed no actual public decency laws were breached, but on the day the police were obliged to attend because of the fact there'd been a public decency complaint made. About about twenty officers ended up down there and a massive argument broke out.

                  The guy who'd made the initial complaint apparently said he'd done it because he didn't want any children to be corrupted by seeing some breasts (I don't think he actually had any of his own children with him, if he even is a father). It was remarked more than once that by that logic, he needs to make similar complaints against every single magazine stall in the country.

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                    Hot Pepsi wrote: Not sure why the Swimsuit issue is still a thing. At one point, it was the only way that adolescent boys could see that sort of thing without shoplifting porn. But that hasn't been true for a long time. Branding, I suppose.
                    I was going to say this. I guess SI makes a lot of money from ad buys in the issue, but that's just baffling to me. Are there people rushing out to buy it? I'm guessing that it's a sort of self-perpetuating monster at this point, SI pushes a ton of publicity for it and models appear on talk shows and it gets talked about on the Today show and stuff like that...because it's supposedly a big thing. But it's not like the models in it are now getting famous. It's not like when Christie Brinkley and Elle MacPherson were in it and became stars because of their connection. I guess Kate Upton is the closest thing there's been like that since then, but she's a pretty minor celebrity.

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                      Yeah, there was a documentary thing on TV - VH1 probably - called When Supermodels Ruled the World. They also did one called When Stand-Up Comics Ruled the World. Both about that period during the 80s when people in both of those professions had TV and cross-over media exposure like no time before or since. The celebrity-industrial complex has moved on to reality TV people, who are no doubt way cheaper and more plentiful.

                      Based on that and other interviews I've seen, modeling doesn't seem like that good of a job unless you're making an absolute shit-ton of money or can parlay it into an acting career and that's probably a very tiny percentage of them. It looks easy, but I doubt it is. It's probably really boring and unfulfilling. It's very hard to keep one's body looking like that and the novelty of the travel would probably wear off pretty quickly - that's if you're lucky enough to be one of the few that gets to travel a lot - and making unnatural faces while one's ass is sticking out at an unnatural angle and some jackass yells at you would get really tiresome really fast. It's super-competitive. Oh, and you're pretty much guaranteed to attract creepy stalkers. And, of course, the career is usually short.

                      Kate Upton is only a known name because she's done some acting and, I think, married somebody famous but I can't recall who that is.

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                        #12
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                        "The celebrity-industrial complex" – oh, that's beautiful, Reed, I must remember that description.

                        Count me in among the men here who've never been confident about their own appearance. I've been skinny most of my life with the hilarious exception of phases when I put on enough of a gut through depressive comfort-eating to feel too fat to want to uncover myself in public, so I rather shaft myself either way when it comes to having any desire to disport my body. It only takes the tiniest of glances however at the despicable vileness that is the Daily Mail's Sidebar of Shame and the like to see how it's indubitably worse for women.

                        The subject of Sam's post just makes me want to put my head in my hands, meanwhile. As ever, the kind of people who think their offspring are going to be corrupted by knowing what the human female looks like naked are probably the same ones who have few hang-ups about letting the same children come across violence, abusive language, xenophobia or whatever. That kind of thing can surely only breed more body-image issues and confusion in the children.

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                          #13
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                          Kate Upton is only a known name because she's done some acting and, I think, married somebody famous but I can't recall who that is.
                          Upton is engaged to Justin Verlander (a well known pitcher for the Detroit Tigers)

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                            #14
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                            Oh, that's right. Good for them.
                            Their kids will be tall.

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                              #15
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                              SI's rationale has long been that the Swimsuit issue makes them a ton of money. Make of that what you will.

                              It's still a very good magazine, if woefully thin these days (64 pages most issues, with about 20 of that being advertising). Their longform feature every week is usually excellent, one about a serial killer who was drafted and cut by the Packers, one about sports and autism, etc. etc. I usually buy it off the rack every week, as it's surprisingly stocked at my local WHSmiths, and it's worth the £3.

                              But nobody wants to pay for media anymore.

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                                ursus arctos wrote:
                                Kate Upton is only a known name because she's done some acting and, I think, married somebody famous but I can't recall who that is.
                                Upton is engaged to Justin Verlander (a well known pitcher for the Detroit Tigers)
                                Kate Upton is famous because she's got large breasts and did quite a few bikini photo shoots.

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                                  #17
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                                  Anyway, while the issue of SI paying more attention to women models than to women athletes is one worth denouncing, men over the age of sixteen know those photo shoots are heavily photoshopped escapism. Grown up women shouldn't try to measure up to that fantasy any more than I should try to measure up to Batman.

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                                    hobbes wrote: I don't think I've ever taken my shirt off in public apart from a couple of times taking the cub swimming. And even then I spent the whole time under water and mortified.
                                    And that's with a lot less social pressure than I'd get as a woman. It must be unbearable.
                                    That's different. That's just you being British.

                                    Although it could be argued that societies who are particularly uncomfortable with nudity are bound to have more body issues.

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                                      #19
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                                      Nah, it's definitely me being fat and hirsute.

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                                        #20
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                                        A couple of weeks ago at a beach in Argentina, some sad twat saw three women sunbathing topless and called the police to complain.
                                        A number of years ago I was in Jamaica at one of those Sandals-type places, only not as good.
                                        During the week was nice and peaceful and relaxing but at the weekend a group American tourists turned up for a 3-dayer and the peace was shattered. (They even brought their own beer mugs as it was all-inclusive and the beers you got were quite small.)
                                        Anyway we migrated from the main pool area they'd decided was theirs, to a quieter one round the bay. As it happens there were a big family group from wales round there. They and us were the only people within 100 feet, the people 100 feet away being the group of Americans who were slinging back beers and screaming at each other and generally bro-ing around the pool with the bar.
                                        Anyway, we'd been there a while when one of the hotel staff sheepishly came over and asked my girlfriend and one of the women in the group not to sunbathe topless. When the welsh woman asked why he said "we've had a complaint from another guest that it's inappropriate when there are children around." Gesturing to the American gang.
                                        The welsh lady then pointed out that "those three kids are mine, those two are my sister's that one is one of my brother's and the other two are my other brother's children. And those people there" waving towards the group, "are their parents. Given that there aren't any other children here, and those ones don't care, who exactly do they think I'm being inappropriate towards?"
                                        Now, it wasn't the hotel guy's fault of course. And the lady said it nicely, not angrily. But apparently to at least one person boorish, loud, obnoxious, drunken behaviour is fine, but tits on a beach are beyond the pale.

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                                          #21
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                                          Vulgarian Visigoth wrote: Anyway, while the issue of SI paying more attention to women models than to women athletes is one worth denouncing, men over the age of sixteen know those photo shoots are heavily photoshopped escapism. Grown up women shouldn't try to measure up to that fantasy any more than I should try to measure up to Batman.
                                          I do try to measure up to Batman.

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                                            #22
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                                            I think I've told before about my wife sunbathing topless in Mexico. It took her about three days to get comfortable enough to go from swimsuit top unbuttoned to topless while laying down to topless while sitting up to 'fuck it, let's go for a walk'. We didn't take ten steps before we bumped into a woman she worked with at the bank.

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                                              #23
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                                              Vulgarian Visigoth wrote: Anyway, while the issue of SI paying more attention to women models than to women athletes is one worth denouncing, men over the age of sixteen know those photo shoots are heavily photoshopped escapism. Grown up women shouldn't try to measure up to that fantasy any more than I should try to measure up to Batman.
                                              So the answer to societal pressure is to just 'grow up' and ignore it? Is that from the same school of thought that advises depressed people to 'snap out of it'?

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                                                #24
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                                                Don't worry Fussbudget - if you had large breasts and did some bikini photo shoots you could be as famous as Kate Upton.

                                                I think Upton became most well known from being the face of one of the iphone war games that seemed to have a never ending advertising budget (as in more than any of the daily fantasy football games). That was the point it felt like she became widely known - a.k.a. when I asked "who is that? I think I am meant to know who she is".

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                                                  #25
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                                                  Fussbudget wrote:
                                                  Originally posted by Vulgarian Visigoth
                                                  Anyway, while the issue of SI paying more attention to women models than to women athletes is one worth denouncing, men over the age of sixteen know those photo shoots are heavily photoshopped escapism. Grown up women shouldn't try to measure up to that fantasy any more than I should try to measure up to Batman.
                                                  So the answer to societal pressure is to just 'grow up' and ignore it? Is that from the same school of thought that advises depressed people to 'snap out of it'?
                                                  Hardly. The answer to structural inequality is fighting structural inequality, but change comes all too slow, and people who suffer distress now as a result of it need to cope with it now. The psychological dimension doesn't negate the sociopolitical one. And laverte specifically mentions men's expectiations. Adult men don't expect women to be airbrushed goddesses in still turquoise waters any more than grown women expect men to be Mark Zuckerberg and travel in a private jet. SI models specifically exist to be unattainable and unrealistic. To put it in other words, other people aren't thinking laverte is polluting the landscape.

                                                  Alternatively she can hate herself and live as a recluse until the revolution comes. Whatever rocks her boat.

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