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    Ah, Schulz - German general election, 2017

    Up until this year, Angela Merkel's status as Chancellor, and indeed, as unofficial EU leader, had faced little domestic challenge since the end of Gerhard Schröder's reign. Now however, Martin Schulz has returned from the European Parliament, and is leading the somnolent SPD to a notable revival. Any enhanced score by the Socialists is likely to come at the expense of both die Linke and the Greens, and while the AfD are still poised to enter the Reichstag, their electoral momentum has stalled for now. The return of the FDP also broadens the potential coalition options for the traditional parties.

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    Ah, Schulz - German general election, 2017

    I expect this election to be more between the establishment parties vs AfD than CDU vs SPD. And the big question that has to be floated is: "Do you really want Trumpism in Deutschland?" Now there is something concrete to serve as a deterrent.

    I really hope that Trump's election will be bad news for ultra-right wing fucks everywhere.

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      Ah, Schulz - German general election, 2017

      Has Schulz been bringing forth any policy or is it just a new leader bump? Will he work with die Linke, who would seem to be pretty crucial to any potential coalition government?

      The SPD getting back in the saddle would be a major boost to the European centre-left, it goes without saying really.

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        Ah, Schulz - German general election, 2017

        Flynnie wrote: Has Schulz been bringing forth any policy or is it just a new leader bump? Will he work with die Linke, who would seem to be pretty crucial to any potential coalition government?

        The SPD getting back in the saddle would be a major boost to the European centre-left, it goes without saying really.
        Initially, it would seem to be a bounce carried off from his generally praised spell in Strasbourg, but they've eight months to polish the manifesto, at any rate. Gabriel discussed the potential of a Broad Left coalition in November, but presumably the party wouldn't publicly float that kite until the final results.

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          Ah, Schulz - German general election, 2017

          Schulz is benefitting from not having been in the Grand Coalition (Sigmar Gabreiel realised that his involvement in it made him unelectable) and so is the outsider coming in. He has a certain streetfighter charisma, a big mouth that doesn't censor itself (something that seems to work well with voters these days), and next to the tired Merkel, he brings an energy into the game which his predecessors in the SPD couldn't. He is a populist the left can live with. And he supports 1. FC Köln, so he is obviously a very good man.

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            Ah, Schulz - German general election, 2017

            It's a bit of an internet thing too.



            More here
            https://www.reddit.com/r/the_schulz/

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              Ah, Schulz - German general election, 2017

              Interestingly, for the first time in months, the AfD has fallen to single digits in an opinion poll - still probably asking too much for them to go below the 5% threshold, but given that the vote isn't for another seven months, it could yet happen.

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                Ah, Schulz - German general election, 2017

                G-Man wrote: I expect this election to be more between the establishment parties vs AfD than CDU vs SPD. And the big question that has to be floated is: "Do you really want Trumpism in Deutschland?" Now there is something concrete to serve as a deterrent.
                Are you sure about that? Nearly half the American voters who were asked that question answered yes.

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                  Ah, Schulz - German general election, 2017

                  But Trumpism was then still a theory, rather than a WTF thunderstorm. There will always be loons who are attracted to that kind of politics. The CSU feeds of it. But actually seeing Trump in action must turn off the middle ground that regards itself as decent.

                  Germany's political environment also allows for a greater scope for electoral expression than the duopoly in the US, where some people voted Trump despite themselves.

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                    #10
                    This is very funny, if you speak German. "Ossi Ostborn" is inspired.

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                      #11
                      On a pedantic note, she was of course actually born in the West! But yes, very good.

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                        #12
                        But she isn't Ossie Ostborn.

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                          #13
                          ah, ok. Is anyone in particular Ossie Ostborn?

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                            #14
                            A pun on Ozzy Osbourne

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                              #15
                              Yes, a obviously, but is there any hook for it? Is it an allusion to anyone in the German political scene, to go with the Merkel cover?

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                                #16
                                Well, Ossi Ostborn in his interview speaks about how in East Germany they used to eat bats, so hat is an allusion to that particular voting block. Leyen maiden alludes to Ursula von der Leyen, the defence minister.

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                                  #17
                                  Ossi Ostborn is a genius pun.

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                                    #18
                                    Turnout appears to be significantly up in the former GDR, so sadly, looks like AfD may very well finish third.

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                                      #19
                                      Health warning - leaked poll:

                                      CDU/CSU 35%
                                      SPD 20.5%
                                      AfD 14.5%
                                      Linke 10%
                                      FDP 10%
                                      Grüne 8%

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                                        #20
                                        First official exit poll:

                                        CDU/CSU 32.5%
                                        SPD 20
                                        AfD 13.5
                                        FDP 10.5
                                        Grüne 9.5
                                        Linke 9

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                                          #21
                                          ZDF confirm the trend:

                                          CDU/CSU 33%
                                          SPD 21%
                                          AfD 13%
                                          FDP 10%
                                          Linke 9%
                                          Grûne 9%

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                                            #22
                                            The Social Democrats surely have to go in opposition if the numbers add up for a CDU-FDP-Green arrangement?

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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Diable Rouge View Post
                                              The Social Democrats surely have to go in opposition if the numbers add up for a CDU-FDP-Green arrangement?
                                              And they've already confirmed same.

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                                                #24
                                                Also, the only viable coalitions are CDU/CSU + SPD and CDU/CSU + FDP + Grünen. Could have been much worse: CDU/CSU + FDP was close to a majority.

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                                                  #25
                                                  It's almost as if running an career technocrat party insider as your candidate for head of government doesn't inspire the electorate.

                                                  Who could have seen this coming...
                                                  Last edited by anton pulisov; 24-09-2017, 16:41.

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