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Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
The thing about the withdrawal agreement though is that it is supposed to be agnostic to future arrangements. It would have been more or less exactly the same, had it been labour negotiating it. The UK would have been presented with a bill, for their outstanding financial commitments (If Labour proposed staying in CU, which would have meant that UK would have carried on making some payments to the EU, the mechanics of paying it would be different, i.e. you wouldn't have to pay most of it up front) There would have been a clause insisting that UK give settled status to EU citizens already in the UK, because we don't want any windrush style misunderstandings further down the line. And there would have been a binding commitment that there would be no border between the republic and the North, that might not have been called the backstop, but it would look incredibly similar.
After the WA would be passed. There would then be a lengthy transition period before the UK leaves the EU, because we would need time pack up and move the single market dependent parts of your economy to the EU-27. Labour could win an election in that time frame, and change course, But unless Labour were going to stay in the Single market, as well as the customs union, that would be happening either way. (If labour were to actually do this, there would be pretty much no point in leaving at all)
What this ulitmately boils down to is the following. Labour was a pro-brexit party from the day after the referendum, until they started looking for a second referendum, and their current position is deliberately unclear on the matter. If you are a pro-brexit party, you have to vote for the WA. It's just part of the article 50 process. If you are a pro-brexit party and you don't vote for the WA, even for the domestic political concerns outlined above, you are effectively a no-deal party. If you don't like the prospect of the extra damage done by Theresa May getting to negotiate the future relationship, then the appropriate thing to do is to oppose Brexit and call for a second referendum, because unless Labour are going to be in power forever, the Tories are going to get their strangling gloves on the Brexit Steering wheel again.
The thing is that if it was Labour's strategy to delay the passage of the withdrawal agreement, until they were in charge, that's basically the logic of the dynamite strapped bank robber, and if you don't get into power before the clock ticks down, then boom, it's no deal. Labour didn't get into power. There is no way that they would have been allowed get away with this nonsense if there was a basic understanding of how the Withdrawal agreement worked.
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https://twitter.com/chrisgreybrexit/status/1182749814766886917?s=20
Stand by for anti Labour tirade form Berbaslug
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Originally posted by Lang Spoon View PostDoes the border infrastructure required exist in fuckin Stranraer/Cairnryan?
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Is there still a ferry to the fuckin Mull of Kintyre? (Campbelltown?) It's more trees and McCartney than built up cross border infrastructure out there.Last edited by Lang Spoon; 11-10-2019, 21:21.
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Originally posted by Lang Spoon View PostIs there still a ferry to the fuckin Mull of Kintyre? It's more trees and McCartney than built up cross border infrastructure out there.
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Originally posted by Lang Spoon View PostDoes the border infrastructure required exist in fuckin Stranraer/Cairnryan?
I just assume that they don't mean it.Last edited by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!; 11-10-2019, 21:44.
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Dodds and Hoey are already the advance party for dissent on Twitter, which suggests Johnson is flying a kite and hasn't (yet) paid off the DUP. There is also apparently a row brewing because he's dropped a previously promised "veteran's" amnesty from the Queen's Speech.
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