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    https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1182636316623806464

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      https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1182669382859837444

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        Can somebody explain how the image upload it supposed to work? I've tried everything and nothing works. It just keeps saying that it doesn't accept the file type and/or other errors that make no sense.

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          When you enter the source URL in the box, click the blue checkmark below it to turn off "Retrieve remote file and reference locally". That should work.

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            Originally posted by WOM View Post
            When you enter the source URL in the box, click the blue checkmark below it to turn off "Retrieve remote file and reference locally". That should work.
            Eee.

            It's like something out of Docteroo...

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              https://www.onetouchfootball.com/for...load?p=2113457

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                  That's fuckin ridiculous. And won't pass the Commons.

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                    I'm not sure how this is better than the WA for either side.

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                      Does the border infrastructure required exist in fuckin Stranraer/Cairnryan?

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                        Why is the DUP suddenly OK with a "regulatory border within the Irish Sea"?

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                          Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
                          Why is the DUP suddenly OK with a "regulatory border within the Irish Sea"?
                          Maybe Johnson threatened them that it was a choice between this and a Border poll?

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                            Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post

                            The thing about the withdrawal agreement though is that it is supposed to be agnostic to future arrangements. It would have been more or less exactly the same, had it been labour negotiating it. The UK would have been presented with a bill, for their outstanding financial commitments (If Labour proposed staying in CU, which would have meant that UK would have carried on making some payments to the EU, the mechanics of paying it would be different, i.e. you wouldn't have to pay most of it up front) There would have been a clause insisting that UK give settled status to EU citizens already in the UK, because we don't want any windrush style misunderstandings further down the line. And there would have been a binding commitment that there would be no border between the republic and the North, that might not have been called the backstop, but it would look incredibly similar.

                            After the WA would be passed. There would then be a lengthy transition period before the UK leaves the EU, because we would need time pack up and move the single market dependent parts of your economy to the EU-27. Labour could win an election in that time frame, and change course, But unless Labour were going to stay in the Single market, as well as the customs union, that would be happening either way. (If labour were to actually do this, there would be pretty much no point in leaving at all)

                            What this ulitmately boils down to is the following. Labour was a pro-brexit party from the day after the referendum, until they started looking for a second referendum, and their current position is deliberately unclear on the matter. If you are a pro-brexit party, you have to vote for the WA. It's just part of the article 50 process. If you are a pro-brexit party and you don't vote for the WA, even for the domestic political concerns outlined above, you are effectively a no-deal party. If you don't like the prospect of the extra damage done by Theresa May getting to negotiate the future relationship, then the appropriate thing to do is to oppose Brexit and call for a second referendum, because unless Labour are going to be in power forever, the Tories are going to get their strangling gloves on the Brexit Steering wheel again.

                            The thing is that if it was Labour's strategy to delay the passage of the withdrawal agreement, until they were in charge, that's basically the logic of the dynamite strapped bank robber, and if you don't get into power before the clock ticks down, then boom, it's no deal. Labour didn't get into power. There is no way that they would have been allowed get away with this nonsense if there was a basic understanding of how the Withdrawal agreement worked.
                            This just highlights the dangers of building an argument on a faulty premise, but we've been round this too many times.

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                              Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
                              Why is the DUP suddenly OK with a "regulatory border within the Irish Sea"?
                              Because they're a bunch of craven, money-grubbing, arsehole hypocrites?

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                                https://twitter.com/chrisgreybrexit/status/1182749814766886917?s=20

                                Stand by for anti Labour tirade form Berbaslug

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                                  Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                                  Does the border infrastructure required exist in fuckin Stranraer/Cairnryan?
                                  The ferries only go from Cairnryan these days, and that has barely enough infrastructure to cope with the existing, open border, traffic. There will need to be a hell of a lot of tarmac put down if they are going to start queuing the lorries for border/"regulatory" checks.

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                                    Hilarious. The road from Ayr down to the Southwest boondocks is utterly inadequate as well.

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                                      Is there still a ferry to the fuckin Mull of Kintyre? (Campbelltown?) It's more trees and McCartney than built up cross border infrastructure out there.
                                      Last edited by Lang Spoon; 11-10-2019, 21:21.

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                                        Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
                                        I'm not sure how this is better than the WA for either side.
                                        Me neither. I don't understand what is new compared to the versions which were floated and dismissed during the May era. Feels like another case of spin over substance.

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                                          Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                                          Is there still a ferry to the fuckin Mull of Kintyre? It's more trees and McCartney than built up cross border infrastructure out there.
                                          There is a seasonal one which goes between Campbelltown, Islay and Northern Island but it's tiny. Hardly worth building a customs building to catch the amount that could be smuggled on it.

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                                            Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                                            Does the border infrastructure required exist in fuckin Stranraer/Cairnryan?
                                            More or less. There's already a border for animals. You're talking about building two sheds. Not trying to fortify the most porous border ever created. Food and animals make up an awful lot of the actual volume of stuff. Walt points out that they might have to do quite a bit, but tarmac and prefab sheds aren't that complicated. Not compared with trying to have a hard border through south Armagh.

                                            I just assume that they don't mean it.
                                            Last edited by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!; 11-10-2019, 21:44.

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                                              And that's why Scottish independence will never happen if this plan passes.

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                                                Originally posted by Etienne View Post

                                                This just highlights the dangers of building an argument on a faulty premise, but we've been round this too many times.
                                                What is the faulty premise?

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                                                  Dodds and Hoey are already the advance party for dissent on Twitter, which suggests Johnson is flying a kite and hasn't (yet) paid off the DUP. There is also apparently a row brewing because he's dropped a previously promised "veteran's" amnesty from the Queen's Speech.

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                                                    Hired killers betrayed shock.

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