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    Good old Boris! Says every red faced cunt in every golf club in Britain. Doomed.

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      that poll is complete bollocks - wishful thinking for The Telegraph

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        The "prevent no deal" motion (which wouldn't have prevented no deal on its own) has failed.

        Grieve had this to say

        If we get to a point where a prime minister is intent on doing this [taking the UK out of the EU without a deal], the only way of stopping that prime minister would be to bring down that prime minister’s government.

        And I simply have to say here and now I will not hesitate to do that if that is what is attempted, even if it means my resigning the whip and leaving the party. I will not allow this country to be taken out of the EU on a no-deal Brexit without the approval of this house, in my view going back to the country and asking them if that is what they want.

        So me, desiring the best for my party, as a loyal member of it, as far as I’m concerned, this is probably the last opportunity to have a sensible way of influencing the outcome ...

        I was elected as member of parliament for Beaconsfield to represent my constituents’ interests. No-deal is not in their interests, and nor is there the smallest shred of evidence that there is some majority for this appalling and chaotic proposal. Yet I have to face up to the fact that there are some people who wish to lead my party who appear to believe that it is a viable option, and indeed that they can’t become leaders of my party without it being an option that they are prepared to put forward - all part of process, I’m afraid, of further deceit which is slowly swallowing up the democracy of this country and the reputation of this house.

        So, I simply says this; I shall support the motion. I disagree on most things with [Jeremy Corbyn], I disagree fundamentally with every tenet of his philosophical outlook. But I have to say it is the only opportunity we’ve got. And I’m not going to spend my time talking to children or grandchildren later on saying, ‘When it came to it, I just decided to give up.’ I won’t do that.

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          I see Caroline Flint went full bastard again.

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            Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
            I see Caroline Flint went full bastard again.
            Whut?

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              Voted against the Labour whip along with Hoey and chums.

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                Kevin Barron, Ronnie Campbell, Jim Fitzpatrick, Caroline Flint, Stephen Hepburn, Kate Hoey, John Mann and Graham Stringer.

                17 abstentions.

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                  So is that it then? What hope is there left?

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                    Hammond is still saying that Parliament will block no deal, though the mechanism by which they do that isn't at all clear.

                    I don't believe that there is a majority for either revocation or a vote of no confidence right now.

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                      Grieve to do the honourable thing is good news. Who were those who abstained?

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                        https://twitter.com/Phillip_Thomaz/status/1139057658626027521

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                          We are heading straight into a disaster of epic proportions. I genuiny hope this will result in the likes of IDS and Rees-Moog hanging from lamposts...

                          Dmitry Grozoubinski (@DmitryOpines) Tweeted:
                          This is fucking terrifying.

                          The status of applications for the required paperwork to trade with the EU post No-Deal:

                          EORI: 69,000 / 240,000
                          TSP: 17,400 / 240.000

                          Whatever businesses think of Brexit or the insanity of No-Deal they need to get on this. https://t.co/vj9ZarGj7P https://twitter.com/DmitryOpines/sta...639433729?s=17

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                            https://twitter.com/Phillip_Thomaz/status/1139062056794099712

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                              Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post

                              hmm, Scotland is going to have to learn to wait to speak, until it is spoken to.
                              No idea if this article has substance, but if so suggests Creed and Coveney (and Pompous Pilate Gilmore before) are massive wankers. And whatever the truth the Shinners are making hay and forbidden to Donegal haddock with it in the Seanad.

                              https://afloat.ie/resources/news-upd...-ireland-wrong

                              [URL="https://mobile.twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1139218169334308864"]https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1139218169334308864[/URL][URL="https://afloat.ie/resources/news-update/item/42931-rockall-legal-experts-says-scotland-right-ireland-wrong"][/URL]
                              Last edited by Lang Spoon; 15-06-2019, 02:38.

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                                It's not looking good for Red Faced puffed out chest D4 Socialist in no way ever involved in Sticky Post Office Shenanigans "I Saved The Country" Eamon but. Let alone The Merchant Prince.

                                https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.iris...225%3fmode=amp
                                Last edited by Lang Spoon; 15-06-2019, 02:43.

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                                  So Watson says Labour must unequivocally come out for Remain.

                                  Strange what he was saying just before the referendum.

                                  almost as if staying in the EU were less important than weakening Jeremy Corbyn

                                  [URL]https://twitter.com/punk_academic/status/1140556114704162816?s=21[/URL]

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                                    Or maybe Watson position has evolved since 2016....which would be nice since FoM has been a dirty word in all kind of Labour circles since the referendum inc within the Holy Beard inner sanctum...

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                                      Attacking Freedom of Movement a week before the Referendum - that was really going to get Labour votes.

                                      It's irresponsible. Meanwhile the "holy Beard" (my how amusing) was campaigning hard for remain

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                                        If Corbynistas don't want Tom Watson to Tom Watson, they shouldn't have elected him Tom Watson. That said, as MomentumRetweetTalkingPoints go, this is weak tea.

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                                          I think it's shocking to be reminded quite how half-hearted the support for remain from the Watson wing was in 2016.

                                          Don't you?

                                          ,

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                                            There were loads of Brownites working for Stronger In as it happens. I was one of them, and yes, for all the good it did...

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                                              Originally posted by Lucy Waterman View Post
                                              There were loads of Brownites working for Stronger In as it happens. I was one of them, and yes, for all the good it did...
                                              Did you all raise concerns about Freedom of Movement in the week before the referendum to show your commitment to Stronger In?,

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                                                I think that if I had, it would have had pretty much as big an impact and be as worth bringing up now as when Watson did it.
                                                Last edited by Lucy Waterman; 17-06-2019, 13:25.

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                                                  Raising concerns about FoM and immigration in general was pretty much all that was taking place before the referendum and indeed even more so after the referendum when Labour jumped as one behind "let's end FoM to win back our legitimate concerns bigots in marginals" mantra...

                                                  If now some Labour figures want to put that behind, good but you know...bit late really.

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                                                    It would be a more effective talking point if Corbyn's Labour were not now opposed to FoM. Though I know its something we're supposed to know Jeremy isn't actually in favour of or something.

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