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    Can anyone clarify what's happening right now? There's an EU summit today which will achieve what?

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      Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
      Can anyone clarify what's happening right now? There's an EU summit today which will achieve what?
      May is pitching her delay request to the 27, then she leaves the room and they consider their response, which is expected around 6pm. Although it's being described on TV as the 'Brexit delay summit', it was of course scheduled ages ago and most people expected the UK to have agreed the WA by now, and they should have been moving on to future arrangements.

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        https://newsthump.com/2019/03/21/cer...-on-your-side/

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          Will May do the walk of shame?

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            Originally posted by Walt Flanagans Dog View Post

            May is pitching her delay request to the 27, then she leaves the room and they consider their response, which is expected around 6pm. Although it's being described on TV as the 'Brexit delay summit', it was of course scheduled ages ago and most people expected the UK to have agreed the WA by now, and they should have been moving on to future arrangements.
            Yes, they generally hold a Council meeting once every quarter, regardless of the agenda.

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              Agenda in full:
              The European Council will start on Thursday 21 March at 15.00 with the traditional exchange of views with the President of the European Parliament, Antonio Tajani.
              This will be followed by a meeting of the European Council in Article 50 format, where EU27 leaders will discuss the latest developments related to Brexit, including a possible extension of Article 50 as well as preparedness for a no-deal scenario.
              Over dinner leaders will discuss preparations for the upcoming EU-China summit, scheduled for 9 April 2019.
              On Friday morning, starting at 09.30, the European Council will have an exchange of views with the Prime Ministers of Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway on the occasion of the 25th anniversary of the European Economic Area (EEA). At 10.15 the 31 EEA countries will participate in a family photo in the forum of the Europa Building to mark the occasion.
              At the following working session on Friday morning the Romanian President, Klaus Iohannis, of the current rotating presidency of the Council, will provide a state of play on the implementation of previous European Council conclusions. Leaders will then discuss and adopt conclusions on jobs, growth and competiveness, climate change and disinformation, as well as the external relations topics discussed during the dinner the evening before. European Central Bank President Draghi will participate in this session to update on the economic outlook.

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                The revoke Article 50 petition just broke through one million signatures.

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                  Truly no idea what happens next. "Try again next week" would be wholly unsatisfactory given they are all there and they apparently don't believe May will get her Deal through the Commons. They have to avert No Deal without relying on a Commons vote, and they can only do that with a big extension or Article 50 revocation. If May refuses both then I think France might just pull the plug and the UK are out of the EU next Friday.

                  If May's just gone there to stamp her feet we are fucked.

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                    Well there are signs that she is beginning to unite the country. The TUC and the CBI have just issued a joint letter urging her to get her shit together

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                      They've left it too late to send those letters. Should have been done ages ago.

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                        Got fed this ad earlier today. Doing their post-Brexit marketing best.

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                          Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
                          Well there are signs that she is beginning to unite the country. The TUC and the CBI have just issued a joint letter urging her to get her shit together
                          Not for the first time either!

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                            Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
                            Truly no idea what happens next. "Try again next week" would be wholly unsatisfactory given they are all there and they apparently don't believe May will get her Deal through the Commons. They have to avert No Deal without relying on a Commons vote, and they can only do that with a big extension or Article 50 revocation. If May refuses both then I think France might just pull the plug and the UK are out of the EU next Friday.

                            If May's just gone there to stamp her feet we are fucked.
                            Several EU leaders are talking down the possibility of a long extension, and Macron has been the most forthright, that another no vote on the deal guides everyone to no deal.

                            However (can't link) the 'lines to take' document issued to ministers for this morning's media has been leaked (and obviously most of it has been said by said ministers anyway) and they have very clearly been steered away from the 'deal or no deal' narrative that you'd expect. The lines are if asked what happens if the vote is lost, say "MPs will have to decide how to proceed", and if asked whether a no vote means no deal, say "you're getting ahead of yourselves".

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                              "you're getting ahead of yourselves" - almost as arrogant as May's attitude

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                                The House of Commons petitions website has now crashed due to the strain on its server.

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                                  I assume that May has absolutely no intention of doing (or even failing to obstruct) anything more sensible than the "no deal" and "her deal" options, and that the reason that the script for ministers plays down the likelihood of that being the choice is that she doesn't want the ERG and DUP to think that by voting against her deal again they can guarantee no deal. She merely hopes to scare them into supporting her deal. Of course I hope that, despite such tactics being in my view the likely reason for the spin, she is accdientally correct and that the third defeat of her deal leads to a vote to revoke Article 50 in terms that actually require her to do that or make way for someone who will.

                                  The more I think about her address last night, the more I share the apparent fury of most MPs, given, for example, the murder of Jo Cox. She really needs to just f**k off and rot in miserable isolated retirement.

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                                    I'm not sure the speaker would allow her to block a vote on Article 50 extension.

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                                      http://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1108769593735168002

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                                        So essentially if the Commons rejects No Deal and does not vote to do something that includes participation in the EU elections, it's No Deal?

                                        The pound is plummeting on this news.

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                                          Is this the Strangelove scenario or is this to be Douglas Adams's "B" bunker?


                                          https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-mi...-deal-11671941

                                          mod to prepare no deal nuclear Brexit bunker

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                                            May's excuses for only getting a May 22nd extension will be interesting but I don't get how she thought she could have both a June 30th date and stay out of the Euro elections. One contradicts the other directly.

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                                              https://twitter.com/Jess_Shankleman/status/1108801825132683265

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                                                https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/1108806834276782081

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                                                  Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
                                                  May's excuses for only getting a May 22nd extension will be interesting but I don't get how she thought she could have both a June 30th date and stay out of the Euro elections. One contradicts the other directly.
                                                  Anyone would think her incompetent.

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