It's not just a "couple of dozen Labour MPs" who are fully aware that No Deal will really fuck the country. It's almost all of them. I think she's trying to squeeze Corbyn into backing the WA because if the clock runs out and the WA hasn't been approved we default to No Deal. She can't squeeze the ERG - if the clock runs out, we end up with no deal, which is fine by the ERG. She can't really squeeze the EU because, as LS and Berbs point out, the EU have no reason to throw a model member state under the bus in order to prove that leaving the EU can work.
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There is talk that they have decided on 24 May as the new proposed exit date. This is the weekend of the European Parliament elections, so would allow the maximum time without the UK getting involved in those.
This also accords with something said by a Sky News correspondent this morning which I hadn't given any thought to previously - "she is determined to cling on to power until at least 25 May, as that is the date her time as PM surpasses that of Gordon Brown". Because that is clearly the most important thing at play here, of course.
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I really hope she dies a horrible awful death, alone and unloved. She already had blood on her hands as a home sec even worse than "Dr" John Reid, Straw or Howard. Fuckin C of E cant and dead eyed unthinking evil.fuck her fuckn legacy and the commentators that keeping evoking sympathy for her. She'd throw the country under a bus to save the Tory party. Mibees that and her useless RP accented God are the only things she truly loves.
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Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View PostIt's not just a "couple of dozen Labour MPs" who are fully aware that No Deal will really fuck the country. It's almost all of them. I think she's trying to squeeze Corbyn into backing the WA because if the clock runs out and the WA hasn't been approved we default to No Deal. She can't squeeze the ERG - if the clock runs out, we end up with no deal, which is fine by the ERG. She can't really squeeze the EU because, as LS and Berbs point out, the EU have no reason to throw a model member state under the bus in order to prove that leaving the EU can work.
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I think Labour are doing the right thing here (not often I've said that about Brexit), and won't break. But I think May still hopes for them to crack under the time pressure. She can't "force" the ERG into voting for the WA, because that would make the ERG feel like they were stabbed in the back in a way that might split the UK and still leaves the UK taking regulations from Europe. That might be the final straw that splits the Tory Party. Which means she has to try and apply pressure elsewhere. If the ERG can say "We did what we could, but were stabbed in the back by Labour" they might still save the party from a full on ERG/UKIP splintering.
I also think that means that concessions from the EU, unless they're a complete cave-in to the gammons, are pointless for May. The gammons want to vote against any WA and hope to be bailed out by Labour members voting for it.
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Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post"EUROPE!!!! remember that we cut ourselves off from the European mainstream and embarked on a series of pointless wars of religious persecution, entirely because Henry VIII's ballbag was ravaged by the Pox"
Also Do You like my KKKERRRRRAAAAAAZZZZZY hat!!!
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Originally posted by Lang Spoon View PostBut this is only the WA, not the Future Arrangements post transition deal. So May's original deal could pass and a real soft Brexit still be negotiated, if The Coalition of Chaos and bigotry collapsed post WA.
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Originally posted by Eggchaser View Post
Eh? Henry VIII may have told the Bishop of Rome to do one for political reasons, but he remained a Catholic, even if there was a slide away from the mysticism.
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Also the wars of religious persecution/Three Kingdoms in Ukania well past the chucking out the window events of Prague were fuckin lovely sunshine and flowers stuff (even in Ireland) compared to what the Thirty Years War did to the German states/Central Europe in the Thirty Years War (thanks in no small part to the fucking Swedes and their Scottish/Russian/any cunt will do mercenary Prod army and their French pals prolonging matters). A third of German adult males dead at the end of that shite, General population ravaged by resulting famines.Last edited by Lang Spoon; 11-03-2019, 21:09.
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Originally posted by Eggchaser View Post
Eh? Henry VIII may have told the Bishop of Rome to do one for political reasons, but he remained a Catholic, even if there was a slide away from the mysticism.
The mothership may be diplomatic in its public positioning, but it doesn't regard the CofE as an equal custodian of the Catholic tradition, whatever the bells and smells end of the Anglican market might tell themselves.
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here's the deal
- A joint interpretative instrument – a legal add-on to the withdrawal agreement. It will give legal force to a letter from Juncker and Donald Tusk, the presidents of the commission and council, given to May in January which stated the EU’s intention to negotiate an alternative to the backstop so it would not be triggered or get out of it as swiftly as possible, if it was.
- A unilateral statement from the UK. That is likely to seek to explain the British position that, if the backstop was to become permanent and talks were going nowhere on an alternative, the UK would seek to exit the arrangement.
- Additional language in the political declaration to emphasise the urgency on both sides to negotiate an alternative to the backstop, and flesh out what a technological fix would look like. It is hoped this will be enough to persuade the attorney general, Geoffrey Cox,to change his initial legal advice that the backstop could be in place indefinitely.
The problem: Very, very little of this is significantly new. The most substantive element is the joint interpretative instrument. But it falls well short of Cox’s demands over the last week for what amounted to a unilateral exit mechanism from the backstop.
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Robert Peston doesn't rate its chances of satisfying the ERG headbangers.
Fear of not being able to drive the process from the back seat if it slips away from May must be a more powerful incentive for them to support the deal rather than any tinkering at this stage, surely?
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