And again, I don't see how you square your "Tories don't give a shit about anything but power and screwing the poor" with "all that is required for a cross party alliance is Corbyn to lead it".
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Originally posted by Snake Plissken View Post
That would be the Labour Brexit unicorn that we are constantly being told doesn’t exist, right?
This is not what Labour want. Labour want the customs union to be in this agreement. That's not on offer.
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Originally posted by Snake Plissken View Post
That would be the Labour Brexit unicorn that we are constantly being told doesn’t exist, right?
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Sure some associates are more sceptical than others, but some are more positive than others, notably McDonnell. Again, it's about trying to walk the tightrope of avoid antagonising Brexiters while keeping Remainers onside. The policy remains the same, that a referendum isn't ruled out.
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Well that's going to be a neat trick to sustain. It sounds like a perfectly sensible path forward to me and not like an episode of Father Ted. Why not try to explain to the brexiteers that this is going to be the end of their world. It's hard to see how the UK is going to be able to keep its absurd pension escalator, or NHS if they leave the customs union.
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It's very difficult to sustain of course. Almost as difficult to sustain as the Tories pretending to be the party of sound governance and economic competence while havering between shooting the country in the foot and the head. Labour just need to hope that the Tories implode first. There are plenty of people out there telling Brexiters about how terrible it's going to be. I honestly don't think the Labour front bench doing the same thing is going to help. They have (with the sole exception of Williamson, I think) been telling everyone that No Deal will be bloody awful, but it doesn't seem to have shaken support for no deal. These people aren't listening, and telling people they are wrong and stupid or foolish dupes has never been a strong persuasion tool.
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Why not try to explain to the brexiteers that this is going to be the end of their world. It's hard to see how the UK is going to be able to keep its absurd pension escalator, or NHS if they leave the customs union.
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Originally posted by hobbes View Post
Because they don't care or don't believe it. Experts and project fear, innit? There's genuinely no talking to the fuckers. Believe me, I've tried.
Most people just want this bullshit to stop, and the only way for it to ever end is a referendum that results in staying. Sure it might be hell for six months, but then it would be over. The govt will be able to do something other than cunt on pointlessly about brexit.
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You can't beat a bit of martial law during a no-deal Brexit:
http://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1089282356475760640/photo/1
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I think he meant to link to the second tweet in the feed.
https://twitter.com/alanbell_libsol/status/1089299646881636354
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- Jan 2012
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- Worthing
- The Hammers, until Mark Noble goes.(he's still there, sort of)
- Garibaldi, dipped in tea.
Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View PostWell what is the reality based alternative other than simply voting for the withdrawal agreement. There is going to come a point in the next couple of weeks where the UK is going to have to shit or get off the pot. it is either going to have to a) embrace Hard Brexit and embark on a humiliating and destructive economic war. B) Accept Theresa May's deal or c) accept that parliament isn't going to be able to resolve this situation and put the matter to the people, in a less embarrassingly open ended referendum.
If Labour don't change their position, that third option isn't even going to be on the table. That safe option of kicking to touch isn't going to be there any more.
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There has to be a vote to extend article 50 before c) can happen and I don't think such a vote can happen unless it's forced. May won't volunteer it, obviously.
The vote also has to happen with sufficient time left for the 27 to all agree to it. One dissenting member and it's off the table.
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Yeah, but in that case the government can revoke unilaterally. Ultimately it depends on whether May genuinely is willing to go "no deal". I don't think she is, but I'm far from comfortable in that. If she is, then it's a question of whether the sane Tories blink and unseat her (through supporting a VONC) or whether the Labour sensibles blink and vote for her deal.
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Originally posted by Etienne View PostYeah, but in that case the government can revoke unilaterally. Ultimately it depends on whether May genuinely is willing to go "no deal". I don't think she is, but I'm far from comfortable in that. If she is, then it's a question of whether the sane Tories blink and unseat her (through supporting a VONC) or whether the Labour sensibles blink and vote for her deal.
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