The Brexit Thread

[Lang Spoon]

Gardiner is my least favourite posh Weegie this side of Kuenssberg.

[Lang Spoon]

Where did Fraser Nelson get that accent?

NE Scotland poshoes are something else. Wiki says he finished high school at Dollar Academy and that part of central Scotland is full of bools in the mooth cunts as well.

[Flynnie]

Bazza Gardiner says Seven months minimum for a People's Vote, hence their GE call.

If that's right, it's not happening this year, if ever.

So in other words, the members got hoodwinked?

corbyn is playing a dangerous game here with his membership, this is basically the only real issue where he is badly out of step with them.

[Lang Spoon]

Malcolm Malcolm Surname for first name cunts will all be liquidated kulak style in UDI Scotland.

[Lang Spoon]

Joke. They'll be given bus fare to Durham.

[Nefertiti2]

Did you say Bastani?

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1085267399027421185

bastani's right, though isn't he?

[jwdd27]

One upside of tonight is that I read up on "The Campbell Case", over which Ramsay McDonald's government took such a kicking in 1924.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell_Case

It qualifies as quite interesting rather than very interesting. He only ended up getting 6 months prison.

[Gerontophile]

This is doing the same as the 2020 thread. Sticking at Satchmo's post of (I think) 11:15 PST/19:15 BST

*But, only when looked at from within WORLD. If you are at the Fora index, it shows up correctly.

[Lang Spoon]

bastani's right, though isn't he?

Nup, Corbyn is warmed over social democracy slightly to the left of Merkel in a wider European context. If he was as transformative as fuckin Wilson let alone Clem I'd be happy, he's milquetoast dressed up as Full on Left. (And of course Attlee had an empire to bleed to pay for Socialism, outside the EU even the timidity of Corbyn's programme is undoable).

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

bastani's right, though isn't he?

No. They'd tell any labour leader to fuck off. Brexit is an internal matter for them, and they're all going to go straight back to supporting the govt tomorrow.

[ursus arctos]

Gero, you really need to explain just what you are doing to Snake in the proper thread, as I am pretty sure that you are the only one encountering this issue.

[Lang Spoon]

I'm also starting two pages back every time i go to the Brexit thread. (But only the Brexit thread) I always end up at TonTon's long post re Labour Conf and have to next three pages. I'm willing to blame Safari but, cos fuck Apple and their dirty Brit MD.

[Lang Spoon]

The 2020 thread is also sticking on page one for me.

[Janik]

I'm currently starting at this post each time. I suspect a 2039 bug armed with a time machine.

[Satchmo Distel]

I have sent a PM to Snake regarding the 2020 thread.

[Come along, Min]

*swings dick about*

[ad hoc]

Looking back over how this thread went yesterday evening I would say it took less than 90 minutes for the heaviest defeat for 95 years for the government to turn into a "let's pile in on Labour" fest. I shouldn't be surprised since I suspect that 427 of the 479 pages of it are of that nature, but it is still irritating (he understates). Like Tonton says, let's just enjoy this defeat for at least a little while.

Our pet gammon on his return is going to be sorely disappointed about his inability to wind people up, since if he's not discussing the minutiae of opposition policy he's not really part of the zeitgeist.

[Lucy Waterman]

Cos it’s Labour that are going to decide this, since there seemingly can’t be a parliamentary majority for anything halfway sane without them.

This is the most powerful they’ve been since the Libya vote.

[ad hoc]

No it's still May that decides. The consensus seems to be that if she wants parliamentary approval for anything she has to soften her line. But she regards softening her line as going against all her xenophobic instincts, so she'll never do it. She'd rather a ruinous catastrophic no deal than to do anything that goes vaguely against her xenophobia. She truly is an appalling person. It's possible that Labour could somehow force a second referendum with the support of the non-insane wing of the Tory party, but it will be really difficult given how stuff works.

[Snake Plissken]

So in other words, the members got hoodwinked?

corbyn is playing a dangerous game here with his membership, this is basically the only real issue where he is badly out of step with them.

Nope. If you want to see who is hoodwinking people, try Alistair Campbell and the Peoples Vote people. The actual, dropdead last deadline was early in December - right about the time PV got all those people out on the street marching. Yet Mandelson was on C4 last night still going on about it.

Corbyn wasn't playing the membership, the Sensibles are. They are waving their own unicorn in front of the public.

[Etienne]

Nah, article 50 could be extended or revoked for a second vote. The deadline is only an issue as long as the PM is unwilling to ask for it. So, either the Tory sensibles or DUP decide to change PM via a VONC, May decides that she'd prefer an extension to no deal, or those who voted against her deal change their mind with some fudge.

[Snake Plissken]

I know that is the reality but the PV don’t mention that- nor that it is in the PMs power to grant a second referendum. It gets in way of the main aim.

Speaking of which, how long after the VONC fails do we see the first “Corbyn shouldn’t have called it” article from someone who was telling him to call it three weeks ago?

[ooh aah]

"Speaking of which, how long after the VONC fails do we see the first “Corbyn shouldn’t have called it” article from someone who was telling him to call it three weeks ago?"

I'm guessing before the VONC

[ad hoc]

I only agree with Jonathan Freedland about 50% of the time, but this falls within that 50% https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eat-may-errors

[Bizarre Löw Triangle]

bastani's right, though isn't he?

I don't agree. Any labour leader in this position would face the same difficulties - namely that a governing party isn't going to call an election they're going to lose.

The Tories can't get rid of May, May doesn't think she'll be in a better position if she calls an election and the Tories plus DUP have a parliamentary majority.

The ERG lot aren't going to prefer Corbyn's brexit to No Deal so they, having exhausted their other options - having failed to remove May - are content to wind down the clock.

The Continuity Remain Tories are also unlikely to prefer Corbyn's brexit deal to May's. They presumably want an Article 50 extension or a second referendum, and neither of those are going to happen with a Corbyn majority - which would see them lose their seats to the bargain. So they're left running down the clock in the hope that the parliamentary arithmetic switches in favour of a second referendum.

The only faction I could see that might support a labour leader other than Corbyn is the DUP - but even so I think they're in a similar position to the ERG.