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    You would think that Spain would be high on the list of such bilateral agreements to be concluded due to the large British immigrant community over there but there is also Gibraltar to contend with...

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      Not all about Brexit of course, but can't have helped. Take that, Metropolitan South Wales elite.

      Chris Elmore, MP for Ogmore next door, has just announced support for a People's Vote.

      https://twitter.com/WalesOnline/status/1083728556738465797

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        What would be the point of Juncker saying the backstop would be "temporary" when that word, without further clarification, could mean any length of time you want it to mean? A decade or even a century is still "temporary" because it ends but that's no use to the gammons, who would want it to mean something unfeasibly short like three months. It's just semantic bollocks that won't sway enough votes to be meaningful but it means Juncker can pretend to be offering a concession which really is not there.

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          Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
          What would be the point of Juncker saying the backstop would be "temporary" when that word, without further clarification, could mean any length of time you want it to mean? A decade or even a century is still "temporary" because it ends but that's no use to the gammons, who would want it to mean something unfeasibly short like three months. It's just semantic bollocks that won't sway enough votes to be meaningful but it means Juncker can pretend to be offering a concession which really is not there.
          True, but reiterates that the aim is to conclude the trade talks before the transition ends, ensuring that the backstop is never actually activated - not terribly likely, I'll admit, but that's the intention, at least.

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            Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post
            Not all about Brexit of course, but can't have helped. Take that, Metropolitan South Wales elite.

            Chris Elmore, MP for Ogmore next door, has just announced support for a People's Vote.

            https://twitter.com/WalesOnline/status/1083728556738465797
            Isn't that more about JLR developing their own diesel engines (d'oh!) and so not needing Ford engines rather than Brexit, like the JLR redundancies are about the decision in 2015 to up sticks to Slovakia?

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              That's right. I think more generally though that hard times make Brexit even worse.

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                One for Spoony. Can you spot the flaw?

                https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1083788224898703361

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                  He's got another killer point too. Can you spot the flaw in this one too?

                  https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1083795564511350784

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                    I have to say, I'm on board for 4% interest rates. Not overnight or anything, but as an equilibrium.
                    Last edited by Ginger Yellow; 11-01-2019, 21:36.

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                      So Boris Johnson was in Dublin at the weekend to speak at a conference.

                      he's not popular here.

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                        Oh and also posted on that corbyn thread. Prof Ronan McCrea is having a good Brexit.

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                          'Labour delusionnal and dishonest proposal'....

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                            Where's Spoony? I got up expecting some top drawer invective v Matthew Goodwin.

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                              He's got something a lot more important on his mind at the moment than Brexit.

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                                Chief shouty man James Goddard has been lifted by the polis today, en route to the first of the wars he promised "every Saturday".

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                                  Seems as good a place as any to put this.

                                  https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1084118308696268801

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                                    Hahahaha. There was a time when I would have been fairly sure that wasn't real.

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                                      Speaking of house prices, we're up for a remortgage at the start of April...

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                                        Yup. Us too.

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                                          No confidence vote sounds like it's on for Tuesday.

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                                            Colin gives us the benefit of his views:

                                            https://www.theguardian.com/football...y-brexit-leave

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                                              While Loyal Laura goes with a piece speculating on May's chance of winning the vote, and boldly stating that losing by 50 would mean she could emerge unscathed (it's ok, it's not like it's the most important government policy in most of our lifetimes or anything), the rest of the media are going with the chaos that will unfold after the inevitable heavy defeat.

                                              There is much being made of backbenchers seizing control of the agenda from the government, and one right wing paper in particular is frothing at the mouth about this. Last week's vote on bringing a Plan B within three days should have been a moment of awakening for May, it should have been the point at which she realised she leads a minority government (and one which in itself is a coalition, not the so-called broad church) and you can't control the agenda in the same way that a government with a three figure majority is able to (even if the system is set up that way - it's only set up that way because it expects big majority governments). But she's not self-aware enough for that, even now, and she still thinks she's Thatcher.

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                                                I don't know if she thinks she's Thatcher. She seems to be primarily guided by the desire to hang on for one more day, than to actually do anything.

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                                                  Originally posted by Evariste Euler Gauss View Post
                                                  Colin gives us the benefit of his views:

                                                  https://www.theguardian.com/football...y-brexit-leave
                                                  “To hell with <checks Cardiff squad> the rest of the World”

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                                                    Don't discount her absolute determination to make the lives of"foreigners" as miserable as possible whenever the opportunity presents itself.

                                                    It is as much a foundation of her political life as her ambition and doggedness.

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