Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

The Brexit Thread

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    All the Labour Brexiters seem to be getting a run out. John Mann and Hoey have been spotted.

    We're missing the Lexiters Skinner and Hopkins, but maybe they've clocked now that they were had.

    Comment


      Who would ever have thought David Davis MP would turn out to be a bigger arsehole than David Davies MP?

      Comment


        He's the prick who wants all translation services to the cops scrapped. Wouldn't be problematic at all in terms of natural justice. If bloody foreigners can't speak the language they obviously have no right to be able to communicate with the filth should they need to report a crime.

        Comment


          Nah.

          He's the prick that thinks not talking to Juncker is a strong and viable negotiating strategy.

          Comment


            Yep I was meaning the Non Minister David. Has that stupid weekend warrior somehow in charge of our future fuck David actually refused to speak to Juncker? If the rumours are true they could at least make small talk on their favourite wines and single malts.

            Comment


              Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post
              All the Labour Brexiters seem to be getting a run out. John Mann and Hoey have been spotted.

              We're missing the Lexiters Skinner and Hopkins, but maybe they've clocked now that they were had.
              Did Skinner actually come out for Brexit before the vote. I do find him a tedious old fool, but he didn't go Full Hooey did he?

              Comment


                He did.

                It's funny that Mann and Skinner both had big swings against them, despite their Kipperism.

                Comment


                  Fuckin pantomime leftism. When he wasn't the wizened old prophet of and sole representative of the non metropolitan proletarian left, just one among many, was he such a bore and jester? Ignore the more "robust" views, give him a pat on the head. What a terrible fate for a socialist, to become a National Treasure.

                  Comment


                    Tony Benn was very wary of that "cuddly old socialist" thing. He managed to achieve it nonetheless.

                    Comment


                      Parliamentary leftists have been Pantomime throughout my lifetime. Defensive, doctrinaire, chippy, solipsistic, refusing to learn from experience or take advice. Yet the intellectual left can still produce great stuff and is a vital voice.

                      Comment


                        Hmmm. This line crops up in the FT's latest Brexit negotiations piece, but it's not clear who's supposed to have floated it.

                        Transition payments of around €10bn a year net would cover the short-term black hole in the EU budget, while allowing Britain to cast them as the cost of an implementation period and trade relationship, rather than as old debts.

                        Comment


                          I'm not sure the backbench loons are going to go for that.

                          Some fuss in the fact Barnier is getting paid a lot more than Davis. That's what sharing the bill 27 ways can do for you.

                          Comment


                            Well, the weird thing is that as I read that FT line, it's suggesting the full "bill" would be paid as Britain's budget contributions (grants if you prefer) during the transition period. In other words, we'd be getting EEA (or something like it) membership for free on the back of paying the existing bill. Or, looking at it the other way, there'd be no bill, only EEA grants. Which to me seems like a harder pill for the EU to swallow than anyone but the looniest of Brexiters. I mean, the EU's baseline position, not without justification, is that there's a bill (quantum to be negotiated on agreed calculation principles) and that any single market membership would also require payments.

                            Comment


                              Yeah, that's true. And perhaps some payment for membership of whatever trade area emerges from the negotiations?

                              Comment


                                Maybe the EU will do like that bike shop offering an invoice for the amount you told your partner you would be spending on a bike rather that what you actually spent.

                                A country run for the benefit of a few headbangers and rw tabloids....

                                Comment


                                  In other news, Japan have told us they're too busy working on their trade deal with the EU.

                                  Next week, India says, yeah we'll have a deal. Now about those million visas...

                                  Comment


                                    So, when debating with the Maugham's and Adonis's on the Twitter, there's a fairly constant call from they/their supporters of the 'Labour's new stance is not enough/best thing is to stop Brexit/we should Remain' variety. I keep asking them what do they mean by that, but the best reply I've had is that 'we need a 2nd referendum' (without giving a date when it could happen, what would be the terms, and why it would be taken on board by the EU27).

                                    I know Twitter isn't the best place for detailed argument, so I've asked to be pointed to more detailed critiques as to how - rather than just endlessly pointing out it is/is going to be shit - we could 'just Remain/stop Brexit'; what would be the process and timetable, how does it impact upon A50, how it could work practically and politically, now*. Honestly, no one replies. And it's really fucking me off - the worst kind of head-in-the-sand, la-la-la shit that it looks like is just going to plague us for years.

                                    So, as OTF is a forum for intellectual and intelligent discussion, can anybody help me?

                                    * As opposed to a few years time, when we should rejoin anyway, as soon as we can.

                                    Comment


                                      Have a soggy biscuit Brexit, SM and CU, fuck sake anything else will bring back that lovely 80s feeling of no fucking investment whatsoever, closures on the news every night, only trade deals they can get will make things worse. It's a shit sell to idiots that Brexit means being Norway at the very very least, but the GFA and no chance of a differentiated Brexit makes this the only choice possible. Unless 80s acceptable levels of Nordie violence could be tolerated once the border and cuts from the U.K. not a pot to piss in pot rots the North's barely there economy.
                                      Last edited by Lang Spoon; 29-08-2017, 19:35.

                                      Comment


                                        This isn't what you want johnr but does anyone think a 2nd referendum would go a different way?

                                        Comment


                                          Originally posted by johnr View Post
                                          So, when debating with the Maugham's and Adonis's on the Twitter, there's a fairly constant call from they/their supporters of the 'Labour's new stance is not enough/best thing is to stop Brexit/we should Remain' variety. I keep asking them what do they mean by that, but the best reply I've had is that 'we need a 2nd referendum' (without giving a date when it could happen, what would be the terms, and why it would be taken on board by the EU27).

                                          I know Twitter isn't the best place for detailed argument, so I've asked to be pointed to more detailed critiques as to how - rather than just endlessly pointing out it is/is going to be shit - we could 'just Remain/stop Brexit'; what would be the process and timetable, how does it impact upon A50, how it could work practically and politically, now*. Honestly, no one replies. And it's really fucking me off - the worst kind of head-in-the-sand, la-la-la shit that it looks like is just going to plague us for years.

                                          So, as OTF is a forum for intellectual and intelligent discussion, can anybody help me?

                                          * As opposed to a few years time, when we should rejoin anyway, as soon as we can.
                                          Yeah, I think you've got a point there.

                                          They've basically detached themselves from practical politics on the issue because of their detachment from the Corbyn-led party.

                                          Though I can't say I've got a Garry Kasparov plan. I just think it'll look like a better idea to Remain at some point, so in the meantime make a couple of shifts, like this weekend.

                                          Comment


                                            Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post

                                            They've basically detached themselves from practical politics on the issue because of their detachment from the Corbyn-led party.
                                            Actually, that's probably it, thanks. And I might use that.

                                            Comment


                                              Back to wonder again what the Nissan deal is about with today's news about increased output...?

                                              Otherwise, the Maybot reboot has not fixed the issue, today's round of questions was like listening to her before election. With added bonus that rather than apologising for the foreign students mess, she is now saying it is proof her policies worked.

                                              I really wish there was an option for the EU to expel the UK as only the most drastic measures are going to allow this country to move on I suspect...

                                              Comment


                                                Originally posted by Moonlight shadow View Post
                                                I really wish there was an option for the EU to expel the UK as only the most drastic measures are going to allow this country to move on I suspect...
                                                It is painful to accept, but increasingly a period on the outside followed by a chastened request to rejoin does look like the most realistic way of finding a way back to sanity. And even then the chances can't be any better than 50/50.

                                                Comment


                                                  I really wish there was an option for the EU to expel the UK as only the most drastic measures are going to allow this country to move on I suspect...
                                                  Well, there is. Just don't agree to whatever deal may be cobbled together and refuse to extend the negotiations. Which is not all that unlikely to happen the way things are going.

                                                  Comment


                                                    Well, yesterday TM showed she is either a deluded fool (as well as incompetent and a liar that can't accept her mistakes - see foreign students visas comments) or that she now sees herself as a kind of lightning rod in order to save Brexit. That Bone MP idea of a national hero is probably shared by few people...

                                                    I guess either the UK crashes out without any kind of deal, outside of all regulatory arrangements in some kind of Year Zero frame of mind or there is going to be the most abject of surrenders at the last minute if enough people at the top regain some sanity.

                                                    I still am in awe on how this country is behaving. It's like decades of resentment, frustration have exploded and it is now gesticulating wildly, shouting "Look at me, I was a player, I ran the show, show some fucking respect and give me something to wet my beak". It is an incredible spectacle and future historians will have a field day discussing the events that led to it and followed.

                                                    Comment

                                                    Working...
                                                    X