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The Wing Commander has a few words about the end of a bell.
I wish they would allow comments. There would be carnage.
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So, it seems that the Home Office over-estimated the number of students overstaying their visas by a mere TWO THOUSAND PERCENT. It seems that instead of 100,000 students staying behind, only 4,600 did.
Amber Rudd also announced a study on the economic effects of foreign students in general. You know, a mere seven years after introducing policies to get rid of them.
Jesus fucking Christ!
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Originally posted by Snake Plissken View PostSo, it seems that the Home Office over-estimated the number of students overstaying their visas by a mere TWO THOUSAND PERCENT. It seems that instead of 100,000 students staying behind, only 4,600 did.
Amber Rudd also announced a study on the economic effects of foreign students in general. You know, a mere seven years after introducing policies to get rid of them.
Jesus fucking Christ!
It's fascinating chess, just a shame it's with people rather than chess pieces.
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Originally posted by Lang Spoon View PostDoesn't say much for the unimpeachable OBR this affair. Did political pressure or just a cock-up lead to the wild over inflation of these dastardly foreign students staying on illegally?
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In my very limited experience of such things over in Mexico, "operational independence" means the square root of fuck all if Ministers or influential backbenchers start demanding a wee massage to the stats or policy direction of organizations that ultimately depend on Govt funding. Seeing as the entire apparatus of the state here is a facsimile of Britland, I'd imagine it's the same over on Racist Island.
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The ONS have been quite good at calling out Grant Shapps, IDS and others on complete bollocks. So I'd be surprised if they'd knocked out duff numbers out of ministerial interference. But it isn't very good.
The OBR maybe there's more of a worry of not being independent enough.
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Originally posted by Snake Plissken View PostSo, it seems that the Home Office over-estimated the number of students overstaying their visas by a mere TWO THOUSAND PERCENT. It seems that instead of 100,000 students staying behind, only 4,600 did.
Amber Rudd also announced a study on the economic effects of foreign students in general. You know, a mere seven years after introducing policies to get rid of them.
Jesus fucking Christ!
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Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View PostThe ONS have been quite good at calling out Grant Shapps, IDS and others on complete bollocks. So I'd be surprised if they'd knocked out duff numbers out of ministerial interference. But it isn't very good.
The OBR maybe there's more of a worry of not being independent enough.
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“That’s a sign that she was successful in closing down bogus colleges,” said one colleague, in a reference to Mrs May’s crackdown on sham universities. “In any event, she believes the public would feel they were being hoodwinked if we changed the definition now.”
Also, not sure if this was known to the posters above other than Antepli or if it's new info, but just to be clear:while the discrepancy may have been a revelation to most of Whitehall, the Home Office has been aware of it for some time. One former Downing Street adviser told the Financial Times that they had been briefed on provisional exit check data in late 2015 that showed a similarly small level of overstayers.
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Yeah, this should be a big "What did she know? And when?" scandal. If answers come there none, petition Bercow for a recall of Parliament. He probably wouldn't, but he might have a bit of fun wading into the debate.
Spoony, IDS was a seriously important Minister. I think you're being unfair. Also, they slapped down Gove for "sliding down international league tables". I was pleasantly surprised Gove stopped saying it.
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Important yes, but not exactly in the inner circle. Like Gove, I'd imagine Cam would have a quiet chuckle at IDS foolishness, especially if it distracted from his or Gideon's errors and monstrousness. Civil servants would have an inkling this was someone it was safe to belittle in the politest terms. I doubt many would have been brave enough to openly challenge May and the beardo/Weegie cabal around her.
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This seems more coherent from Labour:
Labour makes dramatic shift on Brexit and single market
https://www.theguardian.com/global/2...y_to_clipboard
Though frankly I would still rather they fight positively on immigration than to make what seems to me to be a craven and unprincipled electoral calculation
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Much more constructive from Labour, but I wouldn't expect this offer to be accepted by the EU. As I understand it, freedom of movement still ends after 4 years, which would be considered a price worth paying by the sort of populist loons they're worried about.
As Snakey says, one step at a time.Last edited by Tubby Isaacs; 27-08-2017, 15:12.
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The Grauniad website is leading with a pathetic article about Corbyn facing a "backlash" from northern MPs over his Brexit position. It quotes three MPs, comprising John Mann and two others who are so comfortable with their position they go unnamed. This is the sort of shit you'd expect from the Brexit press.
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The Labour policy has a fatal flaw: if the EU calls the UK's bluff on freedom of movement and refuses to agree, Labour will cut off its nose to spite it's face by withdrawing from the single market. The policy relies on bluffing with a weak hand, with disastrous consequences if the bluff fails. Why should the EU fold? And it says immigration matters more than the single market, which is a morally bankrupt position.
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I don't think it is much more than an indication to all concerned that Labour are more conciliatory towards the EU than Davies putting out embargoed press releases about "stepping up the pressure". No, it isn't realistic but it is a step.
Also "Not leaving the Single Market but controlling immigration" was promised by a number of Brexiteers, including Hannan.
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