The Brexit Thread

[Flynnie]

He’s celebrating a deal in which he got utterly reamed, the EU should be delighted to clap him on.

[Diable Rouge]

Most of the early commentary suggests the EU has little cause for complaint, so if Johnson wants to celebrate a "win", that's his own affair.

[Nefertiti2]

I suspect Pravda gave Brezhnev a harder time

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1342141699632599042?s=20

[Nefertiti2]

https://twitter.com/DavidHenigUK/status/1342186586549739520?s=20

[Snake Plissken]

But surely they know the British press are never going to give them anything but a good kicking?

No. They clearly thought that the acres of coverage the media freely gave them to kick Corbyn would be left open for them to put forward their policies.

Part of the Blair Cargo Cult is to suck up to the Press.

[Amor de Cosmos]

They could, but they won't. It's all about what the press think, not their core support.

But surely they know the British press are never going to give them anything but a good kicking?

[S. aureus]

When are they going to drop the "New Leadership" thing? It's been over 8 months now, so not really new. (and I'm not seeing much exemplary of leadership, for that matter).

[Sean of the Shed]

they could abstain

They could, but they won't. It's all about what the press think, not their core support.

[Nefertiti2]

Whipped to support a deal far worse than the one Starmer opposed

[Jimski]

Can you imagine the reaction from certain quarters if it had been Corbyn whipping in favour of a deal?

[Nefertiti2]

Labour will likely vote for it because they will be held responsible by the right wing media if it doesn't pass, even if a hundred hard right Tories oppose it. The last thing Keith wants to do is upset the fascist press.
Also the only other option if it doesn't pass is No Deal, it's not like Brexit is cancelled if it doesn't get through parliament.

they could abstain

https://twitter.com/stevenicksmith/status/1342175884745302016?s=21

[Antepli Ejderha]

^ I didn't know the source when I stole that comparison off Twitter, but it seems it is an official release from the European Commission.

Thanks for this.

Let's see what the first few months of 2021 bring. It'll all be Europe's fault we know that.

[Jimski]

Labour will likely vote for it because they will be held responsible by the right wing media if it doesn't pass, even if a hundred hard right Tories oppose it. The last thing Keith wants to do is upset the fascist press.
Also the only other option if it doesn't pass is No Deal, it's not like Brexit is cancelled if it doesn't get through parliament.

It would also definitely pass if they abstained, and quite likely if they voted against. There's no need to vote for it out of fear of no deal.

[S. aureus]

Forensic!

[DCI Harry Batt]

Starmer is a parrot-faced wazzock.

[ursus arctos]

Starmer says it’s a deal Labour will inherit in 2024 if it wins the election, and the public expects it to make it work.

He says it isn’t credible for Labour to sit on the sidelines.

“When this deal comes before parliament, Labour will accept it and vote for it,” he says.

[Come along, Min]

Even the most fervent Leaver wouldn't claim there are any specific immediate, practical gains, would they?

Hiii-yaaaaa!!

I think it's fair to say this draws something of a line under quite a notable debate that was had over the last 4-5 years or so. I'm sure most us can agree with that. I'd concede it revealed plenty of negatives too mind you!

The consent of the most fervent losers certainly wasn't granted but wrestled from them though. Bet they're sucked right off now.

I wish them all the best, they're not ALL Olympic gold winning arseholes.

[DCI Harry Batt]

Oh but you're forgetting about taking back control. Control of xenophobia.

Fair point. The immediate, practical benefit is no new Polish builders coming to live here, as of next Friday.

[Walt Flanagans Dog]

^ I didn't know the source when I stole that comparison off Twitter, but it seems it is an official release from the European Commission.

[Sean of the Shed]

So who thinks Labour should vote for this deal, and who thinks they should abstain, or vote against?

Labour will likely vote for it because they will be held responsible by the right wing media if it doesn't pass, even if a hundred hard right Tories oppose it. The last thing Keith wants to do is upset the fascist press.
Also the only other option if it doesn't pass is No Deal, it's not like Brexit is cancelled if it doesn't get through parliament.

[Walt Flanagans Dog]

[Walt Flanagans Dog]

What the fuck does the deal actually mean?
In simple terms what have we lost and have we actually gained anything?

[Sporting]

Even the most fervent Leaver wouldn't claim there are any specific immediate, practical gains, would they?

Oh but you're forgetting about taking back control. Control of xenophobia.

[DCI Harry Batt]

What the fuck does the deal actually mean?
In simple terms what have we lost and have we actually gained anything?

Even the most fervent Leaver wouldn't claim there are any specific immediate, practical gains, would they?

[DCI Harry Batt]

So who thinks Labour should vote for this deal, and who thinks they should abstain, or vote against?

I think they should all go stick their heads in pigs.