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    I see that the UK has dropped EU tariffs against Boeing to get tariff free whiskey trade with US.

    I mean it's not like helping Boeing will harm the UK. Only a small inconsequential part of Airbus planes are made in the UK. The wings.

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      Originally posted by Diable Rouge View Post
      An airport outside Stranraer will be converted into a lorry park.
      Fuckety-fcuk. Apart from the inconvenience to locals in the DG area (and likely food shortages in BT), this could be a pain for DG personally. My favored rail-sea link from Carlisle- Glasgow- Stranraer-ish- Belfast now has a break at Ayr for a bus journey down the A77

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        What trains aren't running to Stranraer any more?

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          Originally posted by anton pulisov View Post
          I see that the UK has dropped EU tariffs against Boeing to get tariff free whiskey trade with US.

          I mean it's not like helping Boeing will harm the UK. Only a small inconsequential part of Airbus planes are made in the UK. The wings.
          Airbus is an example of pan-European cooperation. So anything that can harm that is fair game for the Tories.

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            We're ramping up preparations at the docks though fortuantely for us we haven't got any scheduled ferries for the first couple of months in the new year so can watch how Portsmouth and Dover cope before it hits us but one new rule just communicated from DEFRA could lead to some fun and games. From January passengers will not be allowed to take any meat, dairy or plant products into France or Spain so we'll get loads of abuse as perfectly good food is forced to be binned.

            Last time this happened was during the foot and mouth epidemic, what, two decades back and was brilliant for us. I don't think any of us had to buy cheese or bacon for weeks. I'm chalking this as a possibly very small and selfish Brexit perk.

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              Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
              What trains aren't running to Stranraer any more?
              There is still a (skeletal) service to and from Stranraer- Ayr and thence Killie/ Glasgow/ Dumfries, but since the ferries moved to Cairnryan it doesn't include the boat trains

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                An engineer at their Broughton plant who is a friend of the family voted Brexit sure that everything would be sorted out, and confident Airbus wouldn't pull out after all the investments they had made. What a fanny. Ties in with something I think Urus mentioned of Aircraft engineers tending toward paleo conservative bollocks.

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                  I don't understand why the ferry companies moved to a port up the road with no infrastructure by it when the Stranraer train pretty much pulls up at the boat. Unless some cunt was throwing them money to relocate to Cairnryan.

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                    Spanish fruit companies exporting to the UK are shitting themselves.

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                      Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                      I don't understand why the ferry companies moved to a port up the road with no infrastructure by it when the Stranraer train pretty much pulls up at the boat. Unless some cunt was throwing them money to relocate to Cairnryan.
                      Stena wanted to introduce bigger ships onto the route but they wouldn't be able to berth in Stranraer as it isn't deep enough but the anchorage at Cairnryan is. Also ships had to slow down slow so much in Loch Ryan to prevent tidal wash damaging the banks it added an extra half an hour to the journey time. So cutting back to Cairnryan meant not only bigger ships but more sailings due to time savings. As for the foot passenger thing, how many foot passengers do you think the ferries carry these days? If it's a dozen on each sailing I'd be surprised, most people find it cheaper and quicker to fly.

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                        Youse can forget about off season strawberries or any red peppers etc in Brit supermarkets. And prob in Ireland too unfortunately.

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                          Originally posted by Greenlander View Post
                          We're ramping up preparations at the docks though fortuantely for us we haven't got any scheduled ferries for the first couple of months in the new year so can watch how Portsmouth and Dover cope before it hits us but one new rule just communicated from DEFRA could lead to some fun and games. From January passengers will not be allowed to take any meat, dairy or plant products into France or Spain so we'll get loads of abuse as perfectly good food is forced to be binned.

                          Last time this happened was during the foot and mouth epidemic, what, two decades back and was brilliant for us. I don't think any of us had to buy cheese or bacon for weeks. I'm chalking this as a possibly very small and selfish Brexit perk.
                          I am glad the food confiscated is not binned!

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                            Originally posted by Paul S View Post
                            Stena wanted to introduce bigger ships onto the route but they wouldn't be able to berth in Stranraer as it isn't deep enough but the anchorage at Cairnryan is. Also ships had to slow down slow so much in Loch Ryan to prevent tidal wash damaging the banks it added an extra half an hour to the journey time. So cutting back to Cairnryan meant not only bigger ships but more sailings due to time savings. As for the foot passenger thing, how many foot passengers do you think the ferries carry these days? If it's a dozen on each sailing I'd be surprised, most people find it cheaper and quicker to fly.
                            The local authority desperately wanted them to stay in Stranraer, and managed to delay the move for a few years (I was involved in it at the time, from the local authority's side of things). In the end there was only so much they could do and Cairnryan is in the same local authority area, and local jobs were preserved so they gave up in the end. In terms of the customs clusterfuck it would have been the same at Stranraer as it is at Cairnryan - as we've said on this thread before the whole area is not set up for it and any sort of delay process will turn it into a lorry park for miles around. That "airport" they are commandeering is just a landing strip for light aircraft.

                            Can't speak for through the week / late at night but I went on that route on a weekend about 18 months ago and it was very busy with foot passengers and that was without the Old Firm traffic coming in the opposite direction - I believe the coach companies of Galloway do a roaring trade at weekends shuttling fans from the terminal to Ibrox/Parkhead and back.

                            Back in the day I used to get trains out of Newcastle on a Friday evening and the 'boat train' was always busy with students heading home for the weekend but those days are long gone of course and I'm sure there modern counterparts are keen students of the Easyjet website.

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                              Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                              Youse can forget about off season strawberries or any red peppers etc in Brit supermarkets. And prob in Ireland too unfortunately.
                              Is this a labour supply issue?

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                                More a customs one, I'd have thought. If the predicted delays come true you don't really want to be chancing sending perishables to sit on an airstrip for weeks.

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                                  Most Irish goods come through the U.K. as well, so we will likely face shortages too.

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                                    Originally posted by Moonlight Shadow View Post

                                    I am glad the food confiscated is not binned!
                                    They tried that but customer pressure put a stop to it.

                                    Actually I can afford my own cheese so I'm going to suggested we donate it to the local homeless place, the Shekinah Mission, which is right outside the port.



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                                      Originally posted by Sporting View Post
                                      Spanish fruit companies exporting to the UK are shitting themselves.
                                      A good proportion of our inbound freight traffic from Spain is fruit and veg and there's a decent amount of fish going the other way.

                                      At the moment it takes a maximum of two hours to clear the port and though DEFRA insist they will only make live checks once a month (so one in eight arrivals from Spain) we are still having to build a cold store.

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                                        Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                                        Most Irish goods come through the U.K. as well, so we will likely face shortages too.
                                        Though the ferry services will be ramped up significantly from the New Year. Meanwhile, NI business agencies already face a slash in funding when the source moves from Brussels to Westminster:

                                        https://twitter.com/mandy_mcauley/status/1339464456917684225

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                                          Fret not, Stena Line and, I think, DFDS are going to start operating direct ferry services from France to Ireland.

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                                            Lots of fiber in fruit.

                                            edit: yeah forgot to quote the post I was replying to. but i'll just leave it as is

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                                              Originally posted by Walt Flanagans Dog View Post

                                              The local authority desperately wanted them to stay in Stranraer, and managed to delay the move for a few years (I was involved in it at the time, from the local authority's side of things). In the end there was only so much they could do and Cairnryan is in the same local authority area, and local jobs were preserved so they gave up in the end. In terms of the customs clusterfuck it would have been the same at Stranraer as it is at Cairnryan - as we've said on this thread before the whole area is not set up for it and any sort of delay process will turn it into a lorry park for miles around. That "airport" they are commandeering is just a landing strip for light aircraft.

                                              Can't speak for through the week / late at night but I went on that route on a weekend about 18 months ago and it was very busy with foot passengers and that was without the Old Firm traffic coming in the opposite direction - I believe the coach companies of Galloway do a roaring trade at weekends shuttling fans from the terminal to Ibrox/Parkhead and back.

                                              Back in the day I used to get trains out of Newcastle on a Friday evening and the 'boat train' was always busy with students heading home for the weekend but those days are long gone of course and I'm sure there modern counterparts are keen students of the Easyjet website.
                                              I heard that Stranraer was uneconomic for Stena and if they didn't move to Cairnryan they would withdraw the route.

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                                                Originally posted by Paul S View Post
                                                I heard that Stranraer was uneconomic for Stena and if they didn't move to Cairnryan they would withdraw the route.
                                                That was their pitch - whether it was truly uneconomic or just not making as much money as they might have liked, I don't know - but as you suggest Cairnryan made for a quicker turnaround, lower fuel costs etc so it was obviously to their advantage to move. But as far as I recall no-one was throwing money at them to move, quite the opposite, the local authority was providing favourable terms for them to stay in Stranraer. It's a long time ago now but I think the local authority thought if they moved out of Stranraer they'd operate out of Cairnryan (at little risk to themselves because initially they were to share existing facilities) for a token period, declare that to be uneconomic as well and withdraw altogether.

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                                                  It's taken them until now to figure this out?

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                                                    Originally posted by Ginger Yellow View Post

                                                    It's taken them until now to figure this out?
                                                    They (IE a majority of voters in NI, including the organisation and journo quoted) figured it out before June 2016 and voted accordingly

                                                    Thanks to Paul S and Walt FD for the ferry background. Just to stress that the likely A77 gridlock does only inconvenience a few* non-flying eccentrics like me most of the time, Old Firm games obviously excepted

                                                    * the Ayr- Cairnryan bus I mentioned has never had more than 10 passengers any time I've used it

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