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    And that's why Scottish independence will never happen if this plan passes.

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      Originally posted by Etienne View Post

      This just highlights the dangers of building an argument on a faulty premise, but we've been round this too many times.
      What is the faulty premise?

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        Dodds and Hoey are already the advance party for dissent on Twitter, which suggests Johnson is flying a kite and hasn't (yet) paid off the DUP. There is also apparently a row brewing because he's dropped a previously promised "veteran's" amnesty from the Queen's Speech.

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          Hired killers betrayed shock.

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            Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
            And that's why Scottish independence will never happen if this plan passes.
            Surely it would make it more likely out of resentment over NI's special treatment?

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              But also practically harder to sell to soft unionists. Cos a border in the Irish Sea means there is more likely to be a hard border between indy scotland and rump racist state than when there's a backstop perma customs union for the entire UK.

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                Plus it's likely the fuckin Salmond case will destroy Sturgeon and a fuckin eejit like Cherry is likely to rule the SNP by spring.

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                  Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                  And that's why Scottish independence will never happen if this plan passes.
                  The Scottish english border is either made up of river, or nationsl park, and I think has a total of 9 crossing points, most of which are basically forestry roads. Nobody lives there. You could definitely have a hard border.

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                    It would be perfect fer Project Fear there's a hard border between Our Biggest Trading Partner but. And unlike England, project fear worked in Scotland 2014. Scotland is a very conservative risk averse place with lots of auld bastards, even if it's more left of centre than England.

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                      The left of centreness may even be a manifestation of conservatism, in a perverse way.

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                        Glad to see the Irish/Scots contingency are focusing on the key issues.

                        meanwhile

                        https://twitter.com/TomKibasi/status/1182777725746065416?s=20

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                          The best outcome for Scotland getting the fuck out of racist dodge would be at least a customs union aligned Brexit, I just can't see folk making a leap into the unknown. They'd rather slowly wither with what they know.

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                            Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                            Glad to see the Irish/Scots contingency are focusing on the key issues.

                            meanwhile

                            https://twitter.com/TomKibasi/status/1182777725746065416?s=20
                            Tbh Nef I'm sick to the back teeth of Scotland only being important as a leftist block to save England from itself. And what happens on the British border in Ireland is the most impt part of Brexit really. In terms of fire and shit.

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                              Fire?

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                                Border violence, god knows what shit comes down the line in NI.

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                                  Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                                  It would be perfect fer Project Fear there's a hard border between Our Biggest Trading Partner but. And unlike England, project fear worked in Scotland 2014. Scotland is a very conservative risk averse place with lots of auld bastards, even if it's more left of centre than England.
                                  Yeah, but westminster has lost its mind. At this point getting independence and rejoining the EU, is the less risky option by far.

                                  Nef, Borders are the important part of the brexit discussion. Their sudden appearance is where the damage is going to be done. They're the thing that are causing all the problems.

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                                    Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                                    Glad to see the Irish/Scots contingency are focusing on the key issues.

                                    meanwhile

                                    https://twitter.com/TomKibasi/status/1182777725746065416?s=20
                                    How can it be worse? TAB says it's immutable

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                                      Originally posted by ad hoc View Post

                                      How can it be worse? TAB says it's immutable
                                      The Withdrawal agreement can't change. He doesn't want a transition period after the passing of the withdrawal agreement. That's where the problem lies.

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                                        Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                                        Border violence, god knows what shit comes down the line in NI.
                                        If it does, will hardly be surprising, people have been warning of this for the last year or two...

                                        If there's a border in Ireland, it will be the Nationalists, in the Irish Sea, by the unionists.

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                                          No, it's not. It specifically says the issue is that Johnson is abandoning regulatory alignment.

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                                            This is excellent on the DUP.

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                                              Afternoon DR. Is that article downloadable or am I being dim? Ta

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                                                When I clicked on it through Twitter, thought it was an open, free publication, but will check it again here - you just read it as you would an e-book.

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                                                  Fine here.

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                                                    Cheers both

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