The Brexit Thread

[George C.]

So the Lib Dems are willing to go into coalition with a vicious austerity Tory government for five years in exchange for a referendum on the alternative vote. But a few weeks with Jeremy Corbyn to stop hard Brexit, that's a bridge too far.

Heh.

Bozo and bridges.

What a wag etc.

[pebblethefish]

So if I understand the new "plan" correctly - a customs border in the Irish sea is unacceptable, but two customs borders in Ireland and in the Irish Sea are fine.

Frankly, I'm just grateful he hasn't suggested building a wall yet

[Ginger Yellow]

Cable (not Vincent) falling sharply, rather suggests the market doesn't think the EU will buy it.

[Duncan Gardner]

Just a quick reminder that closed borders in Northern Ireland have been a reality for decades. I grew up in the next street...



Hooray, hooray, we're from Hally-Hallday's
6 Popes gone, the Queen lives on
Polly wolly doodle all day

[anton pulisov]

If you were to drive from the town of Sligo to the town of Donegal, from one part of the Republic of Ireland to another, you would have to drive through the 10 mile customs zone. The road passes along the west coast and never leaves the Republic of Ireland, but the gap between the UK border and the west coast of Ireland is only five miles at the narrowest point.

[Guy Profumo]

If you were to drive from the town of Sligo to the town of Donegal, from one part of the Republic of Ireland to another, you would have to drive through the 10 mile customs zone. This is because the road passes along the coast, but the gap between the NI border and the west coast of Ireland is only five miles.

Why would the customs zone be in the Republic of Ireland?

Surely it's a 10-mile zone within the UK?


(He asks naïvely)

[Diable Rouge]

Why would the customs zone be in the Republic of Ireland?

Surely it's a 10-mile zone within the UK?


(He asks naïvely)

The proposal is that they would be on both sides of the Border - Ireland would have to check goods on behalf of the EU.

[Guy Profumo]

What sort of shit tries to impose border and customs checks on people legally travelling around their own sovereign state?

(He asks. Naïvely. Again)

[Diable Rouge]

A free-marketeering neoliberal who views economics and English nationalism as preferable to international norms. Interestingly, the UUP have finally found their voice, firmly denouncing the plan, leaving the DUP isolated within Ulster Protestantism.

[Diable Rouge]

Plan published.

[Nefertiti2]

[URL]https://twitter.com/jackbern23/status/1179403867848658947?s=21[/URL]

[Ginger Yellow]

So, the customs part of this is just Max Fac, isn't it?

All goods movements between Northern Ireland and Ireland will be
notified using a declaration; regulatory checks will not apply. Goods would
be imported or exported between Northern Ireland and Ireland under either i) a
transit mechanism or ii) a prior declaration mechanism. Goods moved under
either mechanism would be under customs supervision by one or other
customs authority from the point at which they are declared for export until
they are cleared by customs in the territory of import for free circulation or
placed under an alternative customs procedure. Cooperation between relevant
authorities would help to ensure compliance.
b. Under either process the relevant customs authority will be notified that
the consignment has entered their customs territory. Either mechanism
would link the movement of the consignment over the border with the
information provided to the customs authority, which could identify any goods
requiring customs interventions. Physical checks – which would continue to be
required only on a very small proportion of movements based on riskassessment
– could then take place at traders’ premises or other designated
locations which could be located anywhere in Ireland or Northern Ireland.
c. Special provision would be made for small traders to ensure that
requirements on them could be simplified. These simplifications should respect
the nature of economic activity between Northern Ireland and Ireland and
should ensure that any special circumstances regarding the purpose for which
goods move between customs territories, the nature of the goods, or the
nature of the trader carrying out the movement, are all taken into account.
Some small traders should be exempted from processes and from paying duty
altogether. These measures would need to be carefully designed so they
target the traders most in need of support while continuing to ensure
compliance as far as possible.
d. We also propose that the UK and EU should take an approach which ensures
that goods movements between Ireland and Northern Ireland should not
require entry or exit summary declarations.
18. These arrangements would be supported by a range of simplifications, which could
be applied in the same way in Northern Ireland and Ireland, including:
a. Trusted trader scheme. Authorised traders who meet agreed eligibility criteria
could have access to benefits which make the customs process for goods
moving from one territory to another easier to comply with. Authorities in both
Ireland and Northern Ireland would commit to applying appropriate schemes,
and could offer benefits to one another’s authorised traders, though would
retain the flexibility to adjust these based on the specific circumstances of their
territories.
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b. Simplified customs procedures would be used to make it easier for eligible
traders to submit declarations for their cross-border trade whilst maintaining
appropriate compliance standards.
c. Temporary admissions. To minimise burdens on individuals or firms carrying
goods across the border temporarily, there should be an ambitious temporary admissions arrangement.

[ursus arctos]

That's my reading as well, which is likely why it is being spun so furiously by the usual suspects

[ursus arctos]

https://twitter.com/GeorgeWParker/status/1179404545698516992

[Nefertiti2]

[URL]https://twitter.com/raoulruparel/status/1179400982301696000?s=21[/URL]

[Ginger Yellow]

Wow, not kidding about VAT. Surely this will never fly:

20. The UK and the EU should continue to apply their own legislation with respect to VAT
and excise in their respective territories, with the UK’s legislation no longer subject to
the EU’s VAT and excise legislation at the end of the transition period. The proposal
would establish that import VAT and excise duty arising on goods moving between
Ireland and Northern Ireland should not be paid or accounted for at the border and
the administration of VAT and excise will not give rise to checks or controls at the
border. The UK and the EU should cooperate to minimise evasion and ensure
payment of the tax in the country where it is due and the Joint Committee should
make decisions about any arrangements for that cooperation.

[Satchmo Distel]

Stand by for total absence of BBC scrutiny of the plan's sincerity.

[Levin]

Look, it's called 'A Fair and Reasonable Compromise' I don't know what else you whingers want.

[Nefertiti2]

[URL]https://twitter.com/lukewsavage/status/1179414375679090692?s=21[/URL]

[Walt Flanagans Dog]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=15px]https://twitter.com/EmmaVardyTV/status/1179386074155700225?s=20[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT]

The BBC aren't giving much prominence to this for some reason, preferring instead to highlight Tory MPs rolling out the "lines to take".

[Guy Profumo]

[URL]https://twitter.com/lukewsavage/status/1179414375679090692?s=21[/URL]

@Darien is the star here!

[Rogin the Armchair fan]

I've been told by a colleague working there that Tory delegates in surrounding bars have been heard singing "No surrender, no surrender, no surrender to the Remainers" (it might not have been -ers but something more graphic you can fit into one syllable) like our delightful football fans sing at the Irish.

[Diable Rouge]

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1179448239168331781

[Toby Gymshorts]

I've been told by a colleague working there that Tory delegates in surrounding bars have been heard singing "No surrender, no surrender, no surrender to the Remainers" (it might not have been -ers but something more graphic you can fit into one syllable) like our delightful football fans sing at the Irish.

Tories in "witless cunts" shock. Here's Tom with the weather.

[Snake Plissken]

Channel 4 just showed clips of Johnson at a DUP meeting where several people in the audience were egging him on to say "No Surrender".