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    The Aussies are sounding a bit Europhile these days, and all.

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      It'll all be fine. Soft power, language and Heritage. We'll rebuild the White Empire. And India.

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        Soft power must be all that Terry Thomas mugging that Boris has been doing on the telly.

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          The only natural partners the posh Brexiteers have are the Germans. As long as they can get rid of all those democrats.

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            German car companies aren't much help. BMW have said they might shift the new mini from Oxford to Netherlands if there's no Brexit deal.

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              May not backing UK Stats. Pathetic.

              And we'll known legal hotshot, John Redwood, claims paying money to the EU after we've left could be illegal. Gove apparently backs Johnson.

              Joke country.

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                May can't criticise Johnson after she removed the Tory majority. I think that's probably why he felt he could peddle this shite.

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                  Ollie Robbins bailing on Dexit according to the Standard.

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                    Yet more extraordinary stuff, they are now arguing about verified data and how their made up figures does not stand up to scrutiny. 2+2=5

                    I feel genuine intellectual contempt for people who go along and support Johnson on this, particularly those who do so in good faith.

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                      UK Stats is part a non-ministerial part of the government. The Prime Minister needs to back them.

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                        Originally posted by Ginger Yellow View Post
                        Ollie Robbins bailing on Dexit according to the Standard.
                        And according to Kuennsberg too, who says he didn't have good relations with David Davis. I can't imagine he was keen on Steve Baker and Stewart Jackson either.

                        They'll probably put somebody from Legatum in.

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                          Ah, the Deputy is taking over.

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                            We've been here before. From November 2011, when UK Statistics rebuked hilarious Boris.

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                              IDS, showing the brilliant long term thinking for which he's well known, doubles down on the "split loyalties" meme. Hoping that whatever else Brexit does, it doesn't stop the "citizens of nowhere" moving to his constituency from even more expensive Central London. That'll be him beaten.

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                                Hilarious Boris has one man in his corner. This bloke is a "Lexiter" fan of Brendan O'Neill, who strangely has a position with the FBU despite constant talk of mass immigration reducing wages.

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                                Sir David Norgrove, if he is to avoid accusations of political bias, must now intervene every time he thinks a politician is spinning stats.
                                It wasn't "spinning", it was lying, and a lie that was well established as a lie. It was the Foreign Secretary, in a very prominent newspaper article. And it has to be "spinning" based on official UK statistics.

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                                  Me again.

                                  Cameron has reappeared, sort of. He and Samantha are very upset about Brexit, according to their friend, Kirsty Alsop.

                                  We don't feel great about it, Dave. But interesting, in its own way. Last time he was still fronting it up with "right to give the country a choice", IIRC.

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                                    Per the Telegraph, Johnson will resign if May says transition beyond 2020 and paying into the EU budget.

                                    Both reasonable things to do. May, the world's weakest authoritarian nationalist, needs to sack him.

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                                      He's got bored now, hasn't he? Pretty much daring her to sack him, then he can bugger off to the backbenches to do fuck all on behalf of his constituents.

                                      It's not as if we've got any Overseas Territories in dire need of some help right now, is it?

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                                        Nor nukes in North Korea, refugees in Bangladesh etc. Nothing going on that should to concern a "world power".

                                        Jez doesn't need my advice but I'd be hammering away with the personality politics v Johnson.

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                                          Originally posted by Moonlight shadow View Post
                                          Yet more extraordinary stuff, they are now arguing about verified data and how their made up figures does not stand up to scrutiny. 2+2=5

                                          I feel genuine intellectual contempt for people who go along and support Johnson on this, particularly those who do so in good faith.
                                          Lord Lawson gave a stirring defence of him about an hour ago on the radio.

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                                            Lord Lawson? Was John Redwood too busy?

                                            The same long past it "Eurosceptics" keep appearing. More than a few current Tories are keeping their heads down, even Brexiters.

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                                              Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post
                                              Lord Lawson? Was John Redwood too busy?

                                              The same long past it "Eurosceptics" keep appearing. More than a few current Tories are keeping their heads down, even Brexiters.
                                              Redwood has become a bizarre RTE Radio favourite - perhaps they figure his RP tones will act as catnip for listeners.

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                                                To know him is to hate him, surely. He might win the idiot pensioner membership in a leader's election, but the MPs would throw him under a bus.

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                                                  The problem with renegotiating loads of deals at once is the other sides might think: "Brilliant, yeah, let's roll that old deal over! Free trade! But there's just this one thing..."

                                                  Eagled-eyed Faisal Islam noticed that Japan got Theresa May to agree she'll lobby the EU to get the import ban on Japanese food and feed lifted. That was put in the agreement, even though May could do without that. God knows what's been promised off the record for our trade agreement.

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                                                    Does May prefer Johnson to be pissing out of the tent than pissing in? Although he seems to be just randomly spraying it at present.

                                                    I sincerely doubt that Johnson actually gives a fuck about Brexit. It's just opportunism to hoover up the right-wing vote that came back to the Tories from UKIP and the BNP.

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