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    Here's another fool, who doesn't know the difference between Whitehall and Parliament.

    Suella Fernandes, a Tory MP, says that membership of the EU has had a “corrosive effect on democracy”.

    She says voting against the bill could lead to chaos and calls the bill an “integral part of machinery that will make Brexit a reality and give parliament back its power”.

    She says that Brexit is “a birth, and a chance for new beginnings, not a death”.
    By a strange coincidence, she's a particularly loud supporter of Whitehall-driven free schools.

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      Matthew Holehouse‏
      @mattholehouse
      Lot of Conservative MPs seem convinced Brexit dynamics will change "after the German elections". #1922EchoChamber.
      Steve Analyst‏ @EmporersNewC 7h
      Replying to @mattholehouse
      Are they the same ones that said the dynamic would be better than it is "because leaders will be facing elections"?
      God that bloke's good.

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        I like this http://averypublicsociologist.blogsp...it-rebels.html

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          Sulla Fernandes is the leader of a particularly nasty group of Brexiteers inside the Commons. The sort who have been claiming expenses for "research" and channelling it into funding themselves.

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            Ken Clarke and Sir Keir Starmer, who are both strongly pro-remain - and Lidington says he puts himself in that category too - accepted that the bill is not about taking the UK out of the EU, he says. He says it is about ensuring that, when the UK does leave, the process will be smooth because EU law will have been imported into UK law.

            He says, if Labour vote against the bill, they will be voting against people continuing to enjoy the rights they have under EU law.
            Did he honk a comedy "Tony Blackburn when telling a joke" horn as he said the last bit?

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              Government wins by 22.

              Dennis Skinner votes with the government.

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                Fuck sake.

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                  Well, I guess the upside will be that, when Labour get in power within the next year or so, we can do what we like...

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                    you mean like in 1997 when tony blair got a 400 seat majority and the tory's made a foetus their leader?

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                      Nick "Sherlock" Timothy is on the case.

                      Berlin does, though, remain Europe’s most important decision maker.

                      In order, its priorities are to safeguard the euro, keep the remaining 27 members together, protect Europe from security threats and improve the EU’s trading links.

                      Brexit must do nothing to jeopardise those aims, and Britain should help Germany to achieve them.

                      We could, for example, make a generous offer to a select few member states on intelligence-sharing and counter-terrorism co-operation.
                      If you're going to "barter" telling people about bombs going off, isn't the German response likely to be "Brilliant, we'll do the same for you in return. Now weren't you going to make an offer relevant to Brexit?"

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                        Love the way Timothy goes into serious mode, ranking Germany's priorities, then basing his strategy on the third most important, and ignoring that a special deal for Britain would hurt the first two.

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                          We could, for example, make a generous offer to a select few member states on intelligence-sharing and counter-terrorism co-operation.

                          WTF does this mean? How is an offer on intelligence sharing terrorism "generous"? Either it saves lives or it doesn't. And, by definition, such an offer to "a select few" is the opposite of generous.

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                            Ah. A new negotiating tactic. "Nice car you've got here. Shame if anything bad happened to it. I'm sure nothing would if you just give us unconditional free access to your market while getting nothing in return."

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                              "We're going to make you the generous offer of substantially less than you have at present in exchange for your giving us substantively more. We really don't see how or why you would refuse. And no, we don't want to discuss it, thanks."

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                                They tried that before with NATO. Nice country, Estonia, etc...

                                It didn't work very well then either.

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                                  Off topic, Nick Timothy, with his "education hat" on.

                                  https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...ies-speed-read

                                  Speaking to an invited dinner audience at the pro-market thinktank the Centre for the Study of Market Reform of Education (CMRE) in May, Timothy called for a “two-track” system for free schools: “basic-need new schools” – institutions set up in areas with a shortage of places – and truer “free schools” where there was no place shortage (“basic need” in the jargon), but not enough schools rated good or outstanding by Ofsted.

                                  In the CMRE’s summary of the event, Timothy is quoted saying: “The free schools policy was never intended as a basic-need programme. But with the school age population projected to grow at such a fast rate, and with the fiscal squeeze [kicking in] it was inevitable that the policy would become dominated by this agenda.”

                                  However, the policy needed to be brought back to its roots as a market mechanism, he said. “The government is trying to create a market in the education system. This … is the right track for reform but … there’s a lot that still needs to be done.”
                                  Yeah, nobody could have seen places shortages coming. A load of 4 year old kids just appeared out of nowhere.

                                  What on earth would all these surplus places cost? Did he miss his party's spending plans too?

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                                    Labour Leave have spoken.

                                    John Mills‏Verified account
                                    @John_Mills_JML
                                    90 MPs contributing to ongoing EU Withdrawal Bill debate. Essential that the legislation is carefully scrutinised, and tonight's vote passed
                                    Scrutinized but passed anyway. That's some scrutiny there.

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                                      Originally posted by Aitch View Post
                                      "We're going to make you the generous offer of substantially less than you have at present in exchange for your giving us substantively more. We really don't see how or why you would refuse. And no, we don't want to discuss it, thanks."
                                      "If you don't give us a trade deal, we won't lend you our james bond dvd's"

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                                        It's a honking joke horn a day.

                                        UK (turning its back on the EU, "which has become a political project") wants to share embassies with the EU.

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                                          I'm sure Romanians and Bulgarians would just love to receive consular services from the British government.

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                                            Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                                            "If you don't give us a trade deal, we won't lend you our james bond dvd's"
                                            If you don't give us a trade deal, we get it (when you don't tell us about a bomb because we aren't telling you about bombs).
                                            Last edited by Tubby Isaacs; 12-09-2017, 17:03.

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                                              I can't remember who put me on to it, but the Brexiteers use the "X and Y" formulation a lot. In that instance above "deep and special", the border solution will be "flexible and imaginative".

                                              From the same people who brought you "strong and stable", I assume.

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                                                Did Flint only abstain after all that?

                                                Well done, the 3 "proper" leftists, Campbell, Skinner and Hopkins. And the other four. Stringer, Hoey, Field and "populist" John Mann.

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                                                  I don't always agree with him but Rob Ford on Twitter reckons that Blair's report is better than made out. Portes retweeted it, and he's not at all "blah blah legitimate concerns".

                                                  Some Brexiters having a pop at Today (run by Boris pal Sarah Sands and presented by Mailite Humphreys) for the sin of having a couple of stories about France trying to attract business from the City. Unpatriotic, apparently.

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                                                    Rumours of May being about to pull some stroke of resigning from the EEA.

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