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    https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1087278526867345410

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      It's less an irony than a deliberate untruth. May- like Johnson, Mogg and Farage- doesn't give a shit about keeping NI in the British state. The DUP and everyone else know this. The lie sustains because

      a) there may not be a General Election until 2022 and the Tories need Unionist votes until then, and

      b) Unionist voters are still 50% in NI, and if said GE is 3 years ahead there'll be little or no hard evidence of that 50% falling to a figure that makes Berba's worst case imminent

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        £65 fee for EU nationals applying to stay scrapped

        Good

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          yes but all of those things are up in the air if we wind up in a full blown economic war. And a 50% +1 vote of people who want out of that madness, would really be the worst case scenario, as it would leave 50%-1 pretty pissed off.

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            Troubles appear to be kicking off again.

            Hope the chlorinated chicken is worth it.

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              Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
              yes but all of those things are up in the air if we wind up in a full blown economic war. And a 50% +1 vote of people who want out of that madness, would really be the worst case scenario, as it would leave 50%-1 pretty pissed off
              Yes, everything's uncertain- but to different degrees.

              A United Ireland won't happen unless/ until that 50%+1 rises a lot higher- say to 60%, which is plausible but not immediate.

              I thought in passing about chloro chicken while swimming the other day. Not sure it really exists though

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                You forget that if the UK holds a referendum, they don't have to face a backstop any more. I'm sure it would be with enormous regret that TM would hold a referendum on the back of an online poll that they themselves had rigged. We've gone a long way from "No selfish interest" to "Really would like rid, but can't say it publicly."

                And then the whole mess would be our problem.

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                  What’s the Green Party position on Northern Ireland, Dunc?

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                    Referendum to get us out of the Northern Ireland related, and other, shit.

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                      Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                      What’s the Green Party position on Northern Ireland, Dunc?
                      The NI Green Party, like Alliance, are "other", they neither support nor oppose a Border poll, but don't think the current time is appropriate.

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                        Predictably bad stuff from May in parliament. It's like she's deliberately warming up for her role as head of a pariah state.

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                          Pascal Lammy is surely right here. This bollocks ought to have been knocked on the head ages ago surely?

                          https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-ex-wto-chief

                          No say on trade deals for UK in EU customs union, says ex-WTO chief
                          Among other things, it offers May a chance to waste a couple more days by putting it to Brussels and having them knock it back, and say "see, Labour are talking bollocks".

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                            Originally posted by Walt Flanagans Dog View Post
                            Predictably bad stuff from May in parliament. It's like she's deliberately warming up for her role as head of a pariah state.
                            I caught about 2 seconds where she was talking about speaking to lots of people, transparently intended to time waste.

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                              Chlorine chicken is very real, and lots of my countrymen eat it all the time.

                              PRTs are antimicrobial rinses—including chlorine dioxide, acidified sodium chlorite, trisodium phosphate, and peroxyacids, among others—that have been approved by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) for use in poultry processing to reduce the amount of microbes on meat. Meat and poultry products processed with PRTs are judged safe by the United States and also by European food safety authorities. Nevertheless, the EU prohibits the use of PRTs and the importation of poultry treated with these substances. The EU generally opposes such chemical interventions and believes that stronger sanitary practices during production and processing are more appropriate for pathogen control than what it views as U.S. overreliance on PRTs.

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                                "The public".

                                https://twitter.com/CarolineFlintMP/status/1087378909237264386

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                                  Is Remain on the table? That's good to know, because I've seen no evidence of it.

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                                    This would be fun. They could rope in Mark Carney and all the permanent secretaries.

                                    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1087397260898512901

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                                      http://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1087425506931294209

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                                        Amendment from Labour giving options to avoid No Deal. Referendum is one of them. Other sounds like Norway Plus, albeit with "string Single Market deal" spoiling the effect.

                                        Much better.

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                                          What exactly is "Plan B" then? There isn't one is there?

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                                            Plan B is basically to beg her tormentors from her own right-wing and the DUP to humiliate her further. My impression from today is that even the abolition of the fee EU citizens were supposed to pay for 'settled status' only happened because Rees-Mogg said it should.

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                                              It's "vote for this, or you'll get more Poles". (via "Norway plus" or Remain).

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                                                I thought Plan B was Plan A with less time on the clock

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                                                  I'd love some reports from Football fan sites on how they see Brexit. In Oxford, a solidly remain area with BMW one major employer and the Universities being two others, there are lots of "gungho for no deal posts "

                                                  'For what it is worth, MPs accepted Hard Brexit was on the cards when they triggered Article 50. If they didn't believe it, they should have been better informed.

                                                  Interesting to see Poland's Foreign Ministers comments about a 5 year time limit on the back stop"

                                                  and

                                                  "So basically Mrs May’s plan B is near enough the same as the original plan.

                                                  Great No deal looking better by the day. I’m all for it!"

                                                  Is this repeated across the country?

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                                                    It's dismal, and you have to wonder what thought processes are leading to these decisions and speeches (other than the desire to get through another day, of course). She's had the biggest parliamentary defeat of any PM and she's pretending it hasn't happened and that she can bring back essentially the same deal and no one is going to notice. The latest wheeze (apart from the headline grabbing £65) is that she'll consult more widely in the second phase, including people from outside Parliament, which isn't going to improve the mood of the MPs.

                                                    Pace seems to be gathering on the Cooper/Grieve amendment, but even that gives her another month of "seeking assurances on the backstop" and all the other nonsense.

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