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    Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post

    The then Party machine did concentrate on using canvassing defensively but hard to know what difference thT will make this time round
    The assumption is that that was a mistake - however, it’s an assumption as yet untested.

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      Originally posted by George C. View Post

      If you think this is bad, look at Paul Embrey on Twitter, nominally head? of the Fireman's Union.

      Takea look at Paul Embery (@PaulEmbery): https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery?s=09
      Matt Wrack is the general secretary.

      Embery is unbelievable.

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        Poland goes on the naughty step.

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          stupid man.

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            Didn't Berba suggest a page or two back that there could be a united Ireland by end 2020? Czapo's backstop until 2024 looks quite modest.

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              Originally posted by Duncan Gardner View Post
              Didn't Berba suggest a page or two back that there could be a united Ireland by end 2020? Czapo's backstop until 2024 looks quite modest.
              I was suggesting it as a worst case scenario.

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                Under Brexit rules all worst case scenarios are certain to come true

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                  https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1087278526867345410

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                    It's less an irony than a deliberate untruth. May- like Johnson, Mogg and Farage- doesn't give a shit about keeping NI in the British state. The DUP and everyone else know this. The lie sustains because

                    a) there may not be a General Election until 2022 and the Tories need Unionist votes until then, and

                    b) Unionist voters are still 50% in NI, and if said GE is 3 years ahead there'll be little or no hard evidence of that 50% falling to a figure that makes Berba's worst case imminent

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                      £65 fee for EU nationals applying to stay scrapped

                      Good

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                        yes but all of those things are up in the air if we wind up in a full blown economic war. And a 50% +1 vote of people who want out of that madness, would really be the worst case scenario, as it would leave 50%-1 pretty pissed off.

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                          Troubles appear to be kicking off again.

                          Hope the chlorinated chicken is worth it.

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                            Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                            yes but all of those things are up in the air if we wind up in a full blown economic war. And a 50% +1 vote of people who want out of that madness, would really be the worst case scenario, as it would leave 50%-1 pretty pissed off
                            Yes, everything's uncertain- but to different degrees.

                            A United Ireland won't happen unless/ until that 50%+1 rises a lot higher- say to 60%, which is plausible but not immediate.

                            I thought in passing about chloro chicken while swimming the other day. Not sure it really exists though

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                              You forget that if the UK holds a referendum, they don't have to face a backstop any more. I'm sure it would be with enormous regret that TM would hold a referendum on the back of an online poll that they themselves had rigged. We've gone a long way from "No selfish interest" to "Really would like rid, but can't say it publicly."

                              And then the whole mess would be our problem.

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                                What’s the Green Party position on Northern Ireland, Dunc?

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                                  Referendum to get us out of the Northern Ireland related, and other, shit.

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                                    Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                                    What’s the Green Party position on Northern Ireland, Dunc?
                                    The NI Green Party, like Alliance, are "other", they neither support nor oppose a Border poll, but don't think the current time is appropriate.

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                                      Predictably bad stuff from May in parliament. It's like she's deliberately warming up for her role as head of a pariah state.

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                                        Pascal Lammy is surely right here. This bollocks ought to have been knocked on the head ages ago surely?

                                        https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-ex-wto-chief

                                        No say on trade deals for UK in EU customs union, says ex-WTO chief
                                        Among other things, it offers May a chance to waste a couple more days by putting it to Brussels and having them knock it back, and say "see, Labour are talking bollocks".

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                                          Originally posted by Walt Flanagans Dog View Post
                                          Predictably bad stuff from May in parliament. It's like she's deliberately warming up for her role as head of a pariah state.
                                          I caught about 2 seconds where she was talking about speaking to lots of people, transparently intended to time waste.

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                                            Chlorine chicken is very real, and lots of my countrymen eat it all the time.

                                            PRTs are antimicrobial rinses—including chlorine dioxide, acidified sodium chlorite, trisodium phosphate, and peroxyacids, among others—that have been approved by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) for use in poultry processing to reduce the amount of microbes on meat. Meat and poultry products processed with PRTs are judged safe by the United States and also by European food safety authorities. Nevertheless, the EU prohibits the use of PRTs and the importation of poultry treated with these substances. The EU generally opposes such chemical interventions and believes that stronger sanitary practices during production and processing are more appropriate for pathogen control than what it views as U.S. overreliance on PRTs.

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                                              "The public".

                                              https://twitter.com/CarolineFlintMP/status/1087378909237264386

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                                                Is Remain on the table? That's good to know, because I've seen no evidence of it.

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                                                  This would be fun. They could rope in Mark Carney and all the permanent secretaries.

                                                  https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1087397260898512901

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                                                    http://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1087425506931294209

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