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It is received wisdom about referendums that ‘yes’ has an advantage over ‘no’. Alex Salmond didn’t get the wording he wanted for the 2014 Scottish Independence referendum – the Electoral Commission considered the question ‘Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?’ too . . .
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Originally posted by Diable Rouge View PostSurely the DUP should be under "CON policy" for now, despite the discordance over the backstop ?
Kowalski, it really shows up with large constituencies, doesn't it? I can see my Mum and Dad (North Herefordshire) are represented by one of those too.
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The lying liars and the lying lies they tell
(No. 23,476 in a series:
Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson -
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...campaign-video
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In case people have taken NI stability for granted, today has seen a shooting in Warrenpoint, and a car bomb in Derry:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-46934277
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Going back a few pages. (coz I missed it at the time)
Originally posted by Snake Plissken View Post
No they aren't and if you actually bothered to find out how we do referendums then you wouldn't have written that. Seven months is... optimistic.
Have you not seen the last couple of days? You appear not to have noticed that power right now is held in the hands of the DUP. You also appear not to have noticed that all the Labour MPs who support a second referendum stood outside Portcullis House yesterday. There were 71 of them. Less than a 1/3 of the PLP.
As long as the DUP and ERG will snap back into line to avoid an election then there is nothing the opposition can do. This Government has to fall due to its own incompetence because the DUP and the ERG would rather avoid Brexit than have a GE and on the other side, the likes of Anna Soubry would rather have Brexit than let Corbyn in.
Hate to break it to you, but the overwhelming wishes of actual Labour Party members is to Remain.
And while I'm at it, I know that the Internet is a write-only medium for you so I'm going to put this in as few syllables as possible. Right now, under current circumstances, a second referendum is impossible. Can't be done.
Please. Understand and accept this. I'm tired of writing it.
But it's not impossible, and it's not too late. The EU will give the UK any length of extension it wants, if it avoids a hard brexit. The Labour party leadership resisting pushing for a second referendum at this point is a worrying sign, and could simply be the product of Barry Gardiner not knowing anything whatsoever about the EU. If they keep pushing this line, and fannying about, they could utterly destroy the party, by poisoning it for activists in a way that would make the iraq war look like a minor inmate dispute in a kindergarten.
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Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
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Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
That highlights the interesting split in the DUP between those who basically want to be a Fianna Fail for prebyterians and orangemen, and the proper fucking nutcases. I reckon half of the stupid shit they do is an effort to keep that coalition together.
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Not really. English politics is too embarrassingly childlike to be thought of in those terms.
The closest thing that the UK has managed to Fianna Fail was Scottish Labour in its pomp. But that's because Culturally scotland is a lot more like Ireland than it is England.Last edited by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!; 19-01-2019, 21:43.
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There's been another one with the Tories in front, by Number Cruncher.
Labour didn't concentrate its vote very well in 2017, piling up 40,000 majorities in cities. If it's really losing "hard Remainers", you'd expect them to be disproportionately in these seats, and they could afford to lose them.
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Glasman appears to be a very strange individual
In April 2011, Glasman called on the Labour Party to establish a dialogue with sympathisers of the far-right English Defence League (EDL), in order "to build a party that brokers a common good, that involves those people who support the EDL within our party. Not dominant in the party, not setting the tone of the party, but just a reconnection with those people that we can represent a better life for them, because that's what they want".
In July 2011, Glasman called for all immigration to be temporarily halted and for the right of free movement of labour, a key provision of the Treaty of Rome, to be abrogated
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