The Brexit Thread

[Tubby Isaacs]

Whiskey export tax! Counted as English because it goes through English ports!

[E10 Rifle]

Apparently, loads of people in India, having hitherto been completely unaware of whiskey's existence until now, are about to spend spend spend on island malts. Happy days are here again.

[E10 Rifle]

That's Brexit all over.

To be fair, that's also most Brexit journalism all over, on all sides.

[Lang Spoon]

Whiskey export tax! Counted as English because it goes through English ports!

Ah, Tubbs. No one is mentioning that old piece of Nat bollocks, you're like those Japanese soldiers found 20 years after the war. Still fighting the 2014 referendum when there's more chance of me becoming Taoiseach than another square go for Indy in the lifetime of this Holyrood admin.

An yi spelt whisky wrang.

[Snake Plissken]

Ah, so maybe a hint on how this is going to play out. Seen the new data protection rules being touted as "taking back control" - well...yesssss. As in taking back personal control of your online data by adopting the new GDPR privacy rules that the EU is introducing from next May.

It isn't generated by the UK at all, just implemented and consider it strengthens data privacy you can probably hear the teeth grinding by May and Rudd right now. So the playbook seems to be "implement EU rules and lie about it. Also don't tell them that post-Brexit we will have no say in the rules whatsoever".

[Ginger Yellow]

So the playbook seems to be "implement EU rules and lie about it. Also don't tell them that post-Brexit we will have no say in the rules whatsoever".

And it will probably be the first thing to go in a trade deal with the US.

[Snake Plissken]

Not if we ever want to do any business in the EU, it won't.

[Ginger Yellow]

Well, yes, but if wanted to do business in the EU, we'd have stayed in the EU.

[Antepli Ejderha]

UK needs new party to stop 'catastrophic' Brexit, says former David Davis aide

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y_to_clipboard

Off the cliff edge we go. Happy happy joy joy.

[Ginger Yellow]

No chaos here. Yesterday's headlines: "UK to leave customs union in 2019". Today's headlines: "UK looks to retain Brussels customs deal".

The chancellor clarified the government’s position in a statement jointly written with Liam Fox, the international trade secretary, saying that the UK would be “outside the customs union” during the post-Brexit transition phase and that at that point it would be “a ‘third country’, not party to the EU treaties”.

A government paper to be published on Tuesday makes clear that the UK wants to remain in a customs union with the EU for at least the estimated three years of transition after Britain’s 2019 exit.

They have no fucking idea what they're doing.

[Guy Profumo]

The chancellor clarified the government’s position in a statement jointly written with the international trade disgraced former defence secretary Dr Liam Fox, saying that the UK would be “outside the customs union” during the post-Brexit transition phase and that at that point it would be “a ‘third country’, not party to the EU treaties”.

Fixed.

[Snake Plissken]

David Davis today said that people are not being told what is going on because "constructive ambiguity" is vital for negotiations. He also said that trade deals would be done on a sector-by-sector basis. Jesus fucking wept.

Why are they still talking trade deals when the timetable is about citizens rights, the exit bill and all that?

Edit: There's an old, but great clip that has resurfaced of disgraced former Defence Secretary Liam Fox on Sky denying he sent a tweet and calling it a Remain conspiracy, while said tweet is displayed on a big screen behind him.

[Moonlight Shadow]

It could be a cunning ploy to delay and delay until EU countries that would have to setup border controls would be in no position to do so and in order to avoid chaos, the EU would go along the UK custom union that is not a custom union. At this point, the only strategy I can see from HMG is scorched earth, thus forcing the EU to concede on points in order to not cause too many problems for members. Devious but effective, I suspect they are working on contingencies for this in Brussels.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Funny that Brexiters have found out you don't always blurt out "straight talking strong opinions" in foreign affairs. What a shame they didn't understand that before the referendum. "RULE OUT TURKEY!" etc.

Clowns.

[anton pulisov]

David Davis today said that people are not being told what is going on because "constructive ambiguity" is vital for negotiations. He also said that trade deals would be done on a sector-by-sector basis. Jesus fucking wept.

EU: "So you want to leave. We respect that. How would you like to go about leaving?"
UK: "That would be giving away our secrets!"

?? It makes no sense.

[Snake Plissken]

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/840981294674771968

[Ginger Yellow]

Here's the position paper.

[Ginger Yellow]

So, basically, the UK will either a) get better at customs generally, somehow, or b) have a new customs "partnership" with the EU, whereby it will apply EU tariffs and rules of origin at its border for goods to be consumed in the EU.

There would need to be a robust enforcement mechanism that ensured goods which had not complied with the EU’s trade policy stayed in the UK.

No shit. This approach also appears to assume (and only be viable in) a comprehensive free trade regime between the EU and UK with zero tariffs or non-tariff barriers.

Also, no hard internal or external border for NI, but no suggestions for what should be done.

[anton pulisov]

The UK would seek to recognise the unique circumstances of Northern Ireland and aim to
protect individuals and traders by making maximum use of the UK’s flexibility in relation
to our own operation of the border. As elsewhere, the processes on the other side of the
border would be constrained by the relevant requirements of EU law.

You could read that in a way that suggests the UK might be willing to carry out ID checks on movement between Norn Iron and England/Wales/Scotland.

But that would cause the DUP-Tory coalition to collapse.

[Ginger Yellow]

ID checks, maybe, but it explicitly rules out customs checks. And it would be hard to argue that ID checks don't constitute "new barriers to doing business within the UK", especially if many drivers aren't UK/Irish nationals.

[Snake Plissken]

But that would cause the DUP-Tory coalition to collapse.

The DUP wouldn't care, as they've got their billion quid.

[Lang Spoon]

They'll care when all their fermer culchie voters are reduced to penury.

[Lang Spoon]

Or maybe they'll just blame the taigs down south for vetoing these eminently sensible proposals. Having a grievance trumps a functioning economy. Fuckers probably want a cliff edge.

[Tubby Isaacs]

One positive thing about the British public not caring about Ireland is that the government will struggle to blame Ireland for a plunge over the cliff.

[Lang Spoon]

The Nordies of the Proud Unionist variety will know who they blame though. And there is a ratcheting up of anti Irish vileness at the moment (countrysquire blog thing, Batshit Scotch Unionist Effie Deans). I'd expect this to go mainstream to the Mail/Sun/Torygraph any time now. Folk will be hating the Paddies again like it's 1983.