The Brexit Thread

[johnr]

Unsurprisingly, Hammond is kicking a lot of it down the road by about 3 years. As I suggested when this all went off last June, this 'leaving the EU' isn't - can't - happen in the binary way that the leavers hoped, and the remainers feared. I think it's gonna be a whole lot of money and time spent to change not much.

[Tubby Isaacs]

That would be a good result from where we are.

It's incredible that it's taken nearly 4 months from Article 50 to get to here. And indeed 13 months from Brexit.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Still making a fool of himself. He might find there are a few people not normally considered "centre left" who might not be with him. Like Tory farmers who produce this expensive food he wants to see the back of.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

English politicians need to back away from Punch Cartoons. either they don't mean what they think the mean, or they are just naked racism.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Did you see him assert that the British Isles had always been a single customs area?

[Tubby Isaacs]

It's dawned on me the problem with a transitional period. It's not a 3 extra years to negotiate. It's the same timetable for negotiating and making an agreement. Then 3 years transition to reach what we've agreed.

Yikes.

[Snake Plissken]

Did you see him assert that the British Isles had always been a single customs area?

Hannan's worldview has always been stuck in the Victorian area. The idea that Ireland is an independent country has not occurred to him, therefore it must not be so.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Did you see him assert that the British Isles had always been a single customs area?

It's not true though. certainly it's not true of the eighteenth century anyway. My ancestors would have made their living in the trade smuggling wool to spain.

Also we had a rather nasty economic war in the 1930's.

[Ginger Yellow]

The left has been against cheap food (within reason) since long before Brexit. What does he think the Fair Trade movement is about, or the cost implications of better labour protections for agricultural workers, or taxing sugar or carbon intensive industry?

[Toby Gymshorts]

He doesn't think, that's the problem.

[Patrick Thistle]

The left has been against cheap food (within reason) since long before Brexit. What does he think the Fair Trade movement is about, or the cost implications of better labour protections for agricultural workers, or taxing sugar or carbon intensive industry?

I'm not sure that's against cheap food more than making sure people at the bottom of the pile can afford to buy food.

[anton pulisov]

Corbyn's Brexit position makes no fucking sense whatsoever. Well it does. It is racism disguised as socialism.

He wants to use Brexit to stop UK corporations exploiting cheap labour from the poorer EU countries. This is supposed to be good for the UK and good for those poor, poor foreign workers.

Bollocks to his crocodile tears for the poor foreign workers. When you go into a coffee shop or a fast food joint in EU member state Sweden you are likely to get served by a Swede. You know why? Because wage regulation and union oversight are copper-fastened into domestic Swedish law. There's literally no incentive for Swedish corporations to sack their existing employees and replace them with ones from eastern Europe. Because it wouldn't be any cheaper.

Politicians on both the left and the right in the UK don't get that everything that is wrong with the UK is the fault of the UK.

All Brexit will do is allow the Tories to erode any remaining bare minimum EU mandated basic worker's rights that may still exist in the UK.

So there are two possible explanations for Corbyn's stance:

(1) He has no clue about what the EU does.
(2) He's subtly playing the racist card.

[johnr]

He's all about copper fastening those rights into UK law, within the EU or not. And it's very unlikely that the Tories will be in power by the time that Brexit happens - if it ever does - or even by the time the negotiations come to an end.

Corbyn the racist is a new one on me - is it churlish to point out that other EU citizens aren't a different race?

[anton pulisov]

He's all about copper fastening those rights into UK law, within the EU or not.

So why is he promoting Brexit as an opportunity to improve worker rights in the UK, when the two issues have nothing to do with each other?

[johnr]

He argued to remain in the EU and reform it in order to fight for better worker rights. Now we're coming out of the EU he's arguing that we need to ensure UK workers' rights, in that we'll have no say in the EU any more. It might be completely misguided, but there's not a scintilla of racism in it.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Doesn't everywhere in the EU have better workers rights than us? I think it's likely ignorance and getting carried away when asked an awkward question about the Single Market, rather than racism. But it isn't very good.

The rest of what he said was poor as well, about "matching skills to the jobs available". If the existing (by implication, British) workforce have been sacked, those jobs are available and the EU workers have the skills for them. What you do is stop the sacking in the first place. That's not the EU's fault.

There's also a problem if you go down the road of blocking workers you don't think we need. Workers who you do want might think "sod these barriers, I'll go somewhere else".

[Tubby Isaacs]

This is excellent.

https://flipchartfairytales.wordpres...onless-vacuum/

Compares Brexit to being in an office where you've been told to redesign the systems, but the bosses won't tell you what the redesign is supposed to achieve. After a while, a new manager is put in and rallies the troops with "let's just get on with it". You rally, but soon the problem returns.

[Tubby Isaacs]

It's not true though. certainly it's not true of the eighteenth century anyway. My ancestors would have made their living in the trade smuggling wool to spain.

Also we had a rather nasty economic war in the 1930's.

This picture was posted in response to Hannan.

[Tubby Isaacs]

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[Tubby Isaacs]

IDS objecting to people opposed to Brexit doing trade envoy work. Among these is Rushanara Ali, who has done work as a trade envoy to Bangladesh.

God only knows what he's thinking. Maybe she deliberately doesn't promote any trade, just to stuff Brexit.

[Snake Plissken]

He's never been the sharpest tool in the box, has he?

[Tubby Isaacs]

She's my ex-MP. Seems all right. First Bangladeshi MP, imagine she's got a few contacts. I reckon probably a decent choice for the role.

Send George Galloway over. He's a Brexiters.

[Lang Spoon]

Teethgrinding shite from Sarah Smith on BBC news at Ten token Scotlandshire story. Whisky producers feared Brexit., now they're looking to the opportunities of India.. and beyond! With a puff of smoke about free trade deals from Mundell and blasé industry shills, no rebuttal from Mike Russell made the edit, let alone any other half sane fucker (without EU protected status, whisky is banjaxed from foreign producers as sure as the fashermen or fermers in Brexit excited Scotland are also about to take a drilling).

[E10 Rifle]

That whisky piece was the most astonishingly flimsy piece of non-news I've seen on the BBC all year. "Some people reckon something might happen". Thanks for that.

[Tubby Isaacs]

That's Brexit all over.