The Brexit Thread

[Nefertiti2]

WHy "God Help us "state aid" DO you not think State Aid is important?

[Nefertiti2]

It's the deal unless the UK supports freedom of movement, isn't it? Would Labour do that? Corbyn would, to his credit. But Labour?

That's why Labour is in a very difficult position which they have played very well. They're torn between the charmless Flints on one side and the charmless Campbells and Umunas on the other, (both of whom want to bring Corbyn down). Campbell and co would ensure Labout lose the People's Vote.

[Lang Spoon]

Sweet jesus the EU doesn’t really prevent State Aid. Every other fuckin country with an industrial base to protect gets around the rules. They allow a fair bit of wiggle room re “national interest”. Britain chooses not to through insular idiot ignorance or ideology. Berba’s been making this point far more lucidly since Corbyn started with this Lexit shibboleth back in the longlongago.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Uk can unilaterally withdraw or extend Article 50. The Eu doesn't need to sign off.

Corbyn doesn't need to be tougher in negotiations since he's not a racist like Theresa may. Her sole aim in her political career, first as Home Secretary and now as Prime Minister , has been to stop foreigners coming to the UK and to deport legally or illegally any she can . Labour wants to retain many of those aspects of EU law which May is so keen to end.

So there's an extension. Corbyn goes in with the "exact same benefits" policy he's just won an election on, and the EU says "Oh Christ, not this bollocks again". What happens next?

[Lang Spoon]

Corbyn caves (and loses credibility with voters) or Socialism in One Country Shit Brexit. And promptly loses the next election as the economy tanks. Which is why Labour should have stopped playing the cake and six tests dance long before now.

[johnr]

So there's an extension. Corbyn goes in with the "exact same benefits" policy he's just won an election on, and the EU says "Oh Christ, not this bollocks again". What happens next?

Starmer will go in with what he thinks he can get, based on the discussions he's had so far.

[Tubby Isaacs]

WHy "God Help us "state aid" DO you not think State Aid is important?

I think that, without the sort of rules the EU has (and some of it is allowed, as Spoony says), that state aid leads to the nonsense you see in America where big companies use it to extort money from states/cities.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Starmer will go in with what he thinks he can get, based on the discussions he's had so far.

I think what happens next is he has to support freedom of movement. So he should, but if it's not been mentioned in the general election then there's going to be some fallout.

[Moonlight Shadow]

Unless there is an acceptance of FoM which is the hill most Brexiters will die for, there is no point talking about changing the WA.

I suspect a number of senior Brexiters would secretly be happy if Art 50 was whitdrawn, economic shitstorm avoided and endless reserves of 'betrayal' political capital until such a time when they can pull out without compromises..

[Tubby Isaacs]

That's why Labour is in a very difficult position which they have played very well. They're torn between the charmless Flints on one side and the charmless Campbells and Umunas on the other, (both of whom want to bring Corbyn down). Campbell and co would ensure Labout lose the People's Vote.

I give them credit for political skill in the past, but they need to be well on from that now.

Also, if there's a general election, don't you get Flint and Umunna and all back again, with exactly the same problem?

[johnr]

I think the idea is that we'll get a lot more Corbyn-backing MPs in.

Anyway, let's all wait and see what happens in the next week, eh?

[Tubby Isaacs]

What happens if the withdrawal agreement is voted down?

General election comes in at 10%. Worse than just calling off Brexit.

[DCI Harry Batt]

Polls of that kind are...well, they show how confused things are.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

There's 19% of people in favour of an option that has already been shot down, and I'm not sure where the 6% who want a second parlimentary vote are going to go when that is defeated. That's fully a quarter of those people who are effectively still in play. I wonder what it looks like if you divide these people up.

[Diable Rouge]

A Will Quince has resigned.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Corbyn doesn't need to be tougher in negotiations since he's not a racist like Theresa may. Her sole aim in her political career, first as Home Secretary and now as Prime Minister , has been to stop foreigners coming to the UK and to deport legally or illegally any she can . Labour wants to retain many of those aspects of EU law which May is so keen to end.

But it's not a negotiation. The UK is being given a series of choices. It doesn't matter how tough the UK prime minister is, it doesn't even matter who the prime minister is. They will still be asked "Do you want to accept absolutely everything involved in the single market, from FOM to ECJ to adhering to EU laws?" If the answer is not immediately yes, then the next question is "Do you want to accept absolutely everything involved in the Customs union?" and if the answer to that is no, and then they get told to implement the withdrawal agreement, and maybe five or six years down the road they'll agree to something like the FTA that the EU has with canada.

[Diable Rouge]

From this day in 1940:

http://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII/status/1071493661261750273

[Nefertiti2]

https://twitter.com/gdnpolitics/status/1071384155869470720?s=21

[DCI Harry Batt]

A Will Quince has resigned.

Gavin Williamson's PPS.

[Lang Spoon]

Does quince taste like pear?

[Lang Spoon]

The UK, Tory or Labour, has no idea what it is negotiating with. Even Prodi I’m guessing is taking about extensions rather than cake enabling. The pillars, the backstop, these are not negotiable.

[Alderman Barnes]

It's really depressing, and I appreciate that Labour are treading a tightrope, but I simply don't trust Corbyn on Brexit.

On the other hand I don't trust any of the Sensibles on anything at all, including Brexit. They'd throw us citizens of nowhere under a bus in an instant if it proved expedient.

[DCI Harry Batt]

What do you do here to get a tweet to appear?

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

put "tweet" in square brackets, paste the URL, then put "/tweet" in square brackets. no quotation marks obv.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Don't worry if it doesn't appear the first couple of times you reload after posting. It can be a bit odd like that.