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    I was assuming - like an idiot - that perhaps Britain wouldn't mind being subject to ECJ on nuclear stuff, given the wider benefits of nuclear cooperation.

    I guess once you go down that road, you might start wondering why we'd withdraw from the EU at all...

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      Obviously, they'd be interested in a political fix to keep us in, but wouldn't that be very much at their discretion? They'd be fools if they didn't eg make it dependent on getting rid of the rebate.
      Yes, it's totally at their discretion, in principle. Unless the EU 27 (and various other bodies, in principle) do something proactive, then the UK gets kicked out in March 2019 (of the EU and as a result Euratom). But pretty much everyone who's been asked has said something along the lines that if the UK changes its mind, then it'd be allowed back in with open arms. I wouldn't be surprised if they extracted some cost for that in practice, if for no other reason that to dissuaude other polities from dicking the EU around, but again it would open to the UK to accept.

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        Freedom of movement really pushes down wages.

        I mean, look at Denmark.

        Oh, right.

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          I was assuming - like an idiot - that perhaps Britain wouldn't mind being subject to ECJ on nuclear stuff, given the wider benefits of nuclear cooperation.
          But taking back control!
          Last edited by Ginger Yellow; 10-07-2017, 17:08. Reason: Cut and paste screwup

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            Indeed. And handing it over to Belgian regional parliaments.

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              Bill Cash gives a textbook definition of irony:-

              Speaking before Morris’ comments, Bill Cash used his opening remarks to launch another attack on the media coverage of Brexit.

              “There’s a kind of relentless negativity in certain parts of the media,” he said.

              He added: “There’s so little genuine analysis in so many parts of the media.

              “They don’t seem to have got their heads round what Brexit means.”

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                Aristocrat wrote '£5,000 for first person to run over this immigrant'

                http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...wsApp_AppShare

                I've not seen this in the national press, he's defence is interesting to say the least.

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                  Boris has just agreed with a Brexiteer MP who said that Brussels can "go whistle" over any divorce bill.

                  The man is a fucking imbecile. They are all fucking imbeciles.

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                    Nicely symbolic that he was repeating the words of Philip Hollobone, one of the worst backbench loons. They're still run the show.

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                      .
                      Lord Digby Jones‏
                      @Digbylj
                      So that's trade deals with both the US & Oz in the bag. Remoaners must be hating this.
                      David Allen Green‏ @davidallengreen 35m35 minutes ago
                      This is most factually incorrect thing I have seen said by any politician on Brexit. Even on a bus.
                      No formal negotiations even started.

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                        Don't have FT access so don't know what the rest says. Sounds bad.

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                          type the article name into google and you'll be able to click through to the article. The FT paywall is not the securest thing in god's creation.

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                            Originally posted by Antepli Ejderha View Post
                            Aristocrat wrote '£5,000 for first person to run over this immigrant'

                            http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...wsApp_AppShare

                            I've not seen this in the national press, he's defence is interesting to say the least.
                            It boils down to "don't you know who I am?!?"

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                              But: if the notification can be revoked or amended in respect of Euratom, it must be implicit that it can be revoked or amended (either by agreement or unilaterally) in respect of its primary purpose of the UK leaving the EU altogether.
                              I'm not sure I agree with this. It surely depends on whether Euratom membership is inherent in EU membership (as most people believe, But Green acknowledges is uncertain), or if it is at least in principle independent. The irrevocability of the article 50 notification (which is now effectively settled UK law) is about EU membership and the process laid down in the treaty for secession. If triggering article 50 does not lead automatically to withdrawal from Euratom, why would the UK not be able to change its mind on Euratom, absent some other provision in the Euratom treaties? If the letter would not have been effective in withdrawing from Euratom without the explicit mention, then how are the two processes inevitably the same?

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                                Explicit notice to leave Euratom was given in the letter, presumably because the government thought it wasn't inherent in EU membership.

                                But leaving all that aside, why would notice to leave Euratom be revocable? Why would formal notice to leave anything be revocable? Aren't you in "um, sorry, we didn't mean this, can you do us a favour here" territory?

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                                  Originally posted by Antepli Ejderha View Post
                                  Aristocrat wrote '£5,000 for first person to run over this immigrant'

                                  http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...wsApp_AppShare

                                  I've not seen this in the national press, he's defence is interesting to say the least.
                                  Guilty. Deport him back to Wales...

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                                    Not looking up at DEXEU.



                                    I’m hearing rumours of a bit of tension within the Department for Exiting the EU over the possible appointment of a special adviser to replace James Chapman.

                                    David Davis is considering appointing his former parliamentary private secretary, Stewart Jackson, an arch-Brexiteer who lost his seat of Peterborough unexpectedly in the snap election as chief of staff.

                                    But one source has told me that civil servants are unhappy about the idea- with some claiming there were tensions over Jackson’s role when he was PPS.
                                    Nadine Dorries ✔ @NadineDorries
                                    If true, it can only be that civil servants must be nervous that someone as knowledgeable and well informed as @Stewart4Pboro may join dept
                                    That'll be it, Nadine. Fear of Jackson's knowledge.
                                    Last edited by Tubby Isaacs; 11-07-2017, 16:50.

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                                      Explicit notice to leave Euratom was given in the letter, presumably because the government thought it wasn't inherent in EU membership.
                                      Or at least not definitely inherent.

                                      But leaving all that aside, why would notice to leave Euratom be revocable? Why would formal notice to leave anything be revocable? Aren't you in "um, sorry, we didn't mean this, can you do us a favour here" territory?
                                      Surely that would depend on the terms of the particular agreement. Why wouldn't a cooling off period be possible? If you file for divorce, you're not legally committed at that point. For Euratom it seems to be ambiguous (as it was with EU membership, though we seem to have settled on irrevocability for that one). The point is if the two aren't one and the same process, there's no reason why one should be irrevocable simply by virtue of the other's irrevocability.

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                                        Is it possible there's not actually a process set up to leave Euratom? Until Lisbon, there wasn't one for the EU.

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                                          Originally posted by Gangster Octopus View Post
                                          Guilty. Deport him back to Wales...

                                          Ah well, one good thing if May has us leave the ECHR as well as the ECJ. Property rights will be completely at the mercy of our Great Sovereign Parliament. So we can finally expropriate the land and gaffs of these aristo bastards without compensation, finally catching up with what everyone had done by 100 years ago. I would pay good money to see the likes of the Duke of Beulleuch (UK's biggest landowner, down in the forelock tugging Scotch Borders) die alone, in a box bed, after having his benefits sanctioned. In fuckin Airdrie.

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                                            Surely English laws are like the Catholic church's approach to doctrine. It's something that you talk loudly and with great certainty about, but which you can change arbitrarily as you go along.

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                                              Originally posted by Gangster Octopus View Post
                                              Guilty. Deport him back to Wales...
                                              He's looking at a custodial sentence so it might be some time before he's deported. His defence was he thought his privacy settings were on so only a few of his cronies could see his incitement to racial hatred.

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                                                So so considerate of double D to worry about the state of readiness of our continental neighbours, isn’t it? This Brexit soap opera is getting frankly hilarious…

                                                https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-needed-brexit

                                                Brexit secretary says ‘practicalities’ may force requirement as near neighbours such as France may not be suitably prepared

                                                David Davis has conceded that there may have to be some transitional period in the UK’s departure from the EU. However, the Brexit secretary said this would be for the sake of France, Belgium and the Netherlands rather than the UK.

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                                                  Originally posted by Kev7 View Post
                                                  So so considerate of double D to worry about the state of readiness of our continental neighbours, isn’t it? This Brexit soap opera is getting frankly hilarious…

                                                  https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-needed-brexit

                                                  Brexit secretary says ‘practicalities’ may force requirement as near neighbours such as France may not be suitably prepared

                                                  David Davis has conceded that there may have to be some transitional period in the UK’s departure from the EU. However, the Brexit secretary said this would be for the sake of France, Belgium and the Netherlands rather than the UK.
                                                  What about the fucking country that shares a fucking land border with the UK, The country that sends all its exports to europe across the UK by road, the country that is essentially a part of the UK economy as far as the distribution networks of a huge slice of our retail sector are concerned? The impact on those countries will be relatively fucking tiny compared to that on Ireland.

                                                  Ah well, one good thing if May has us leave the ECHR as well as the ECJ. Property rights will be completely at the mercy of our Great Sovereign Parliament. So we can finally expropriate the land and gaffs of these aristo bastards without compensation, finally catching up with what everyone had done by 100 years ago. I would pay good money to see the likes of the Duke of Beulleuch (UK's biggest landowner, down in the forelock tugging Scotch Borders) die alone, in a box bed, after having his benefits sanctioned. In fuckin Airdrie.

                                                  Virtually every landlord in Ireland had been bought out by 1890 by the various land acts.

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                                                    Oh aye, youse were the one place in the old Union that got some real equity (which then the Big Farmers of Fine Gael in all its guises, and the double ref to private property in the hallowed constitution are slowly undermining). Cos youse shot up the bastards once in a while. Scotland got the Crofters Act, which merely supplied security of tenure and an end to serfdom, but this only applied to the Highlands and the Northern Isles (where serfdom was real till 1885). And only piecemeal moves to making community buyouts possible have happened since. Even if the SG grew a pair on land reform, it's doubtful they could push too hard without contravening the ECHR.
                                                    Last edited by Lang Spoon; 11-07-2017, 21:49.

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