The Brexit Thread

[Tubby Isaacs]

Paul MasonVerified account
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Replying to @paulmasonnews @nicholaswatt
7/ For clarity I will support: attempt to stay in EEA via EFTA + suspend FoM under A.112 for e.g 10 yrs until major lab mkt reform kicks in

Eh?

[Lang Spoon]

What a stupid cunt Mason is. Stupid and dangerous. He's still pushing the FoM kills wages bollocks the whole time as well. He'd have been even worse at the spin than Milne.

You can't suspend FoM ya fanny, you might get some emergency cap if you play very nice, but I'd say only if the rebate goes.

[Tubby Isaacs]

He doesn't think Labour are Hard Brexit because something about wanting a deal. Barnier and the rest are addressing Labour as well when they tell us to get real.

[Lang Spoon]

Fucking dick. PostCapitalism is a load of Pat Kane friendly shite as well.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Pat Kane of 80s pop duo, Pat and Mick.

[Lang Spoon]

His think piece word and concept explorations in such august publications as The National are always a joy. Mibees he was actually better churning out classics such as "lookin' for Linda" and the one where he ain't gonna work for you no more.

[Tubby Isaacs]

"Scottish nationalist, Pat Sharp" has a nice ring to it.

Labour backs staying in the Single Market indefinitely, as the CBI say. So does Big Phil Hammond who's called for "sensible Brexit". That's good.

[Lang Spoon]

Pat Sharp's hair had secessionist tendencies, at least.

[Tubby Isaacs]

"Scottish nationalist, Pat Sharp" has a nice ring to it.

Labour and Big Phil Hammond both welcoming the CBI statement about staying in the Single Market "indefinitely". Big Phil has called for "sensible Brexit". He can coin a phrase, can't he?

[Lang Spoon]

Was better the first time

[Tubby Isaacs]

[Lang Spoon]

This is like late Wilson/Callaghan for open dissension in Cabinet. Jason Cowley to anoint Hammond as our lugubrious pound shop Macron hero.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Hammond's done even less campaigning than May had prior to being PM. Cowley might put him in, but Tories won't. Maybe he and Mark Carney will turn up in Whitehall in a tank one day.

He must meet quite a few "concerned businessmen". Not that I approve of the revolving door, but it would be quite funny if one of them persuaded him to spend more time with his boardroom.

[Diable Rouge]

This is like late Wilson/Callaghan for open dissension in Cabinet. Jason Cowley to anoint Hammond as our lugubrious pound shop Macron hero.

Has The New Statesman defected?

[Lang Spoon]

Heh, apart from Stephen K Bush it's questionble how in the Labour camp they still are. I mean, Chris Deerin ffs. At the first sign of a Centrist Moderniser that looks half plausible and backs the Single Market, I'd think the likes of Cowley would be all over them, regardless of their party background.

[Gangster Octopus]

May: Sort out our shit for us...

[Tubby Isaacs]

[Tubby Isaacs]

As I understand it, we've given notice to leave Euratom in our Article 50 letter. So if we're allowed to stay in Euratom that means we've been allowed to revoke (part of? all of?) our notice to leave.

Why should the EU allow that?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Today, therefore, I am writing to give effect to the democratic decision of the people of the United Kingdom. I hereby notify the European Council in accordance with Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union of the United Kingdom’s intention to withdraw from the European Union. In addition, in accordance with the same Article 50(2) as applied by Article 106a of the Treaty Establishing the European Atomic Energy Community, I hereby notify the European Council of the United Kingdom’s intention to withdraw from the European Atomic Energy Community. References in this letter to the European Union should therefore be taken to include a reference to the European Atomic Energy Community.

Labour to be fair to them did try an amendment staying in Euratom, even if they waved through this. They can make some political capital here.

[Ginger Yellow]

As I understand it, we've given notice to leave Euratom in our Article 50 letter. So if we're allowed to stay in Euratom that means we've been allowed to revoke (part of? all of?) our notice to leave.

Why should the EU allow that?

Well, the EU's said all along that if the UK wants to change its mind and stay a full member, it can. I'm not sure it can stay a member of Euratom and not the EU, though.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Does that still hold now we've invoked Article 50?

Obviously, they'd be interested in a political fix to keep us in, but wouldn't that be very much at their discretion? They'd be fools if they didn't eg make it dependent on getting rid of the rebate.

[Diable Rouge]

Tory MP metaphorically can't see the wood for the trees:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...t-public-event

[San Bernardhinault]

Switzerland are, at least, an associate member of Euratom. Britain could take that route, no? Or would that still be considered out of the realms of reasonableness by the Brexiters because it would mean control by EU institutions?

[ursus arctos]

The objection I have seen is that it would require submission to ECJ jurisdiction, which is anathema to May.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Why would the EU allow the UK associate membership without having the obligations Switzerland does?