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    Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View Post
    No jobs Brexit
    You might not be wrong. I'm sure the Tory Brexit will be incredibly grim, but it's kind of got of a logic to it- we've just left our biggest market, so tax and spending cuts for businesses to make up for that. I don't know how leaving your biggest market and then raising taxes and costs works.

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      Originally posted by MoonlightShadow View Post
      Already seen an advert for a job requesting permanent residence rights in the UK, the id card will be there to confirm immigration status in UK.
      But if you're British, how do you prove you're legally residing in the UK, other than by having to show your passport/birth certificate? And if you don't have one, then what?

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        Not allowing EU citizens settled in the UK to bring a spouse (unless they meet an income threshold) seems mean and nasty, like the old restrictions on spouses in the Commonwealth immigration and nationality acts of 1962-81. In fact, the income threshold hints at race and class discrimination by stealth.

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          It doesn't hint, it fucking screams.

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            Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
            Not allowing EU citizens settled in the UK to bring a spouse (unless they meet an income threshold) seems mean and nasty, like the old restrictions on spouses in the Commonwealth immigration and nationality acts of 1962-81. In fact, the income threshold hints at race and class discrimination by stealth.
            This is what it is like for UK citizens trying to bring a non EU spouse into the UK to live with them. You have to show either a six month continuous income of nearly £19k or nearly £64k of immediately accessible savings. So sadly can't see it being any other way or there will be cases of discriminatory behaviour in the courts within hours of the law coming into effect.

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              Yes, my point is that the race and class bias in the system, already there in the rules that have been evolving since 1962, is being reflected in this proposal.

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                There is a story on the front page of the Telegraph, telling of how Theresa May has told various business leaders that she will probably walk out of the EU discussions over the divorce bill in order to win support at home. The UK are going to play hard ball. It seems like a really bad idea, based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the EU's position.

                Meanwhile the guardian is carrying a story suggesting harsh reality is beginning to stare people in the face.
                Last edited by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!; 02-07-2017, 17:57.

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                  There are two possible scenarios:

                  (1) Hard Brexit, collapse of the UK economy and the UK rejoining as soon as possible
                  (2) Nothing happens.

                  Either way the EU wins.

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                    Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                    There is a story on the front page of the Telegraph, telling of how Theresa May has told various business leaders that she will probably walk out of the EU discussions over the divorce bill in order to win support at home. The UK are going to play hard ball. It seems like a really bad idea, based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the EU's position.
                    It was alleged that this was the plan anyway, and the election was called in order to strengthen her case. Now, the Tories are desperately pretending that June 8th didn't happen and are trying to carry on regardless.

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                      I think a certain amount is based on the thinking that david Cameron should have walked out on those talks he had with the EU, and got more concessions. The thing is that the reason that the UK didn't walk out of those negotiations is that it would have got them precisely nowhere.

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                        What concessions? The ones with the things he already could do anyway?

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                          The "emergency brake" was seen as a concession. I don't know if we could do that anyway.

                          There's a lot of Thatcher and the rebate mythology hanging over the "we'll just say no". Thatcher, of course, wasn't quitting the EU and had a veto, and could play the other members off against each other.

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                            of course you could do it. Those negotiations really put the shits up the EU because it became so abundantly clear how clueless the UK govt was, and how little they understood, or cared about the EU.

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                              Try moving to Sweden without having a contract. You'd get nowhere. Place to live, health insurance, bank account, SIM card? Oh but you need a social security number for all of that and you'll need a job to get one of those.

                              The irony is that the UK is the country that most embraced the concept of an open Europe, albeit accidentally.

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                                We're taking back control of our waters which the junior minister on the radio said several times even though he said all that means is doing deals to allow people to fish in "our" waters WHICH WE ALREADY DO NOW.

                                Still nice to hear the Faroes get a mention. Hopefully they'll send some senior ministers to negotiate the fish treaty and the pilot won't have landed in fog on Vagur before.

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                                  And only between 6-12 miles of the 200-mile limit, at that.

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                                    Originally posted by Fussbudget View Post
                                    But if you're British, how do you prove you're legally residing in the UK, other than by having to show your passport/birth certificate? And if you don't have one, then what?
                                    Similar weird situation in the Netherlands, where everyone is required to carry ID. Dutch citizens are allowed to use a Dutch driving license as ID. Foreigners can't use a Dutch driving license as ID, they must use their national ID card or passport. The only thing is, nationality is not stated on driving licences. So apparently it's up to the Police to sniff out if somebody is Dutch or not.

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                                      To nobody's gasted flabber, a think tank founded by Michael Gove and currently involving Charles Moore, wants Ireland to leave the EU.

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                                          Originally posted by antoine polus View Post
                                          Dutch citizens are allowed to use a Dutch driving license as ID.
                                          It's not allowed. It's tolerated.

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                                            *sigh*
                                            Another official said: “We have got to a stage where a lot of key questions on Brexit still need to be properly thrashed out in conversations. For example, we have not had a detailed discussion across departments about what the impact of leaving the single market will be for specific sectors of the UK economy. This has to change.”

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                                              Hey, look, a free trade deal with Japan for the UK! But only until we leave the EU.

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                                                Cue Irish fishermen hurriedly registering boats in Bruges!

                                                http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.en...News/1.3018117

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                                                  CBI want indefinite Single Market membership.

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                                                    I wonder how that could be achieved?

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