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    Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

    Tubby Isaacs wrote:

    The Brexit Department tweeted this out. It seems to show trade picking up in the mid 70s and early 90s.

    Obviously the EU and the Single Market must be bad.
    So they got that number by adding together the exports as a proportion of GDP and Imports as a proportion of GDP. I mentioned something like this on the French election thread. Adding together import and exports like that doesn't tell you much, and you'd only do it if you were trying to make trade look bigger.

    The thing is that if you set that against every other country in the European Union, then the UK would be in the bottom six, only kept off the bottom by the tendency of English people to buy imported consumer goods on credit. If the UK is delighted about having 60% there, then what about Germany which is at 86% or Denmark which is at 100%, or Lithuania which is at 155% or Ireland, thanks to a big healthy dose of contract manufacturing is at 210%.

    It would seem that leaving the EU in pursuit of trading opportunities, having been among the worst performing countries in the EU in terms of exports, would seem to be a foolish and dangerous path to take.

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      Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

      The passport surge shows no sign of abating, with applications from the UK and NI up 68% compared to the first quarter of 2016.

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        Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

        Stupid pessimistic economists.

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          Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice



          Didn't that black guy who hates Britain try to tell us?

          He overrated us massively.

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            Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

            That Graph that tubby tweeted isn't the only thing that DeExEU were tweeting

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              Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

              And India might have had an EU trade deal if we hadn't opposed.

              Global Britain.

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                Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                https://www.facebook.com/unitelondon/photos/a.226646397397767.59406.211072558955151/1438854009510327/?type=3&theater

                750 private sector jobs (180 Unite members) under threat in Brexit Grimsby.

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                  Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                  The chances are people in Grimsby voted out because they lost all of their fishing fleet because the EU robs all of our fish.
                  Oh, James. You're a fucking idiot.

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                    Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                    Tubby Isaacs wrote: https://www.facebook.com/unitelondon/photos/a.226646397397767.59406.211072558955151/1438854009510327/?type=3&theater

                    750 private sector jobs (180 Unite members) under threat in Brexit Grimsby.
                    What on earth is that little 'thing' he's holding in that picture?

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                      Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                      Ask a peregrine falcon.

                      Boris Johnson used a funny word today. I'm sure that'll work with Merkel, Rutte etc. He's also rejected upfront payments, which they haven't asked for.

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                        Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                        Meanwhile the Bundestag has laid out its position and demanded a vote on the final agreement.

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                          Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                          Any word on Belgian regions, or the Irish public getting a vote?

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                            Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                            Unite needs to recruit the remaining 570 of those 750 workers – that membership density rate feels like a metaphor for Brexit-voting.

                            They're right, though.

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                              Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                              Toby Gymshorts wrote:
                              The chances are people in Grimsby voted out because they lost all of their fishing fleet because the EU robs all of our fish.
                              Oh, James. You're a fucking idiot.
                              "James"? Whohe?

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                                Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                                Guy Profumo wrote: "James"? Whohe?
                                Someone in the comments - James Walkling - who made the comment Toby quoted.

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                                  Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                                  Tubby Isaacs wrote: Any word on Belgian regions, or the Irish public getting a vote?
                                  We'd only get a vote if it was officially declared a new EU Treaty, haven't had any EU referenda since the Fiscal Compact Treaty.

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                                    Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                                    I don't know whether treaties will need to get changed. I assume not. But I'd love it if they did. Please kick our arse.

                                    In other news, take that naysayers!

                                    A strong March also helped to drive a 17-year quarterly high for UK production in the first three months of 2017, with 471,695 cars built, up 7.6%

                                    “UK car manufacturing is accelerating thanks to billions of pounds of investment committed over the past few years,” said Mike Hawes, SMMT’s chief executive.
                                    Hang on.

                                    He warned, however, that the current momentum could be undermined should the government fail to negotiate a free trade deal between Britain and the EU during Brexit talks.

                                    “Much of our output goes to Europe and it’s vital we maintain free trade between the UK and EU or we risk destroying this success story,” he said.

                                    A total of 1.7m cars were produced in Britain in 2016, and the SMMT believes the number could surpass 2m by 2020, breaking the previous record of 1.92m set in 1972.

                                    British car manufacturing enjoyed its best month in 17 years in March fuelled by demand for vehicles from abroad.

                                    The number of cars to roll off UK production lines rose by 7.3% last month compared with a year earlier, to 170,691 - the highest number since March 2000.

                                    Of these, 130,838 were exported, up 10.6% compared with the previous month. Demand fell at home, however, with the number of cars built for the UK market down 2.2% at 39,853, according to the figures from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT).
                                    So demand might be falling at home, and exporting might get much harder. Oh joy.

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                                      Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                                      That said, it seems that if new institutions were created, or the Good Friday Agreement was amended, that would trigger a referendum.

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                                        Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                                        Oh yes, this is where things will get bigot complicated. Unless the EU is willing to make a dangerously wide exception for NI, where they remain in the customs(and maybe even Single Market) union and free movement persists, despite a hard Brexit for the island of Fucked Britain, May will have to accede to a probably fatal for her soft as Walter Softy Brexit.

                                        If she persists in her madness then Hard Brexit is a unilateral change to a bilateral international treaty (any fucking around with the Human Rights Act will also suddenly involve Dublin as well). Which is kind of frowned upon as well.

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                                          Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                                          In a move likely to piss of the happy people at Mail Dungeons or Express Cellars, Ireland have stuck in a clause into the EU position that if Northern ireland votes to join the south, then it will be straight into the EU.

                                          Now to a degree this is entirely redundant, since it just an explicit statement of the status quo, following on the back of the Good Friday Agreement, and also No-one remembers the EU getting in the way of German reunification, so ultimately it just serves to make it explicit that if people in the North want to stay in the EU, they know what they have to do.

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                                            Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                                            Yeah, I'm not sure how it could be any other way, assuming the unificatee is absorbed into the unificator. It's not like they'd be dependent territories which don't necessarily adopt their parent's membership. There's only one country in this scenario, and it's already a member.

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                                              Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                                              EU gives Ireland the Green light.

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                                                Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                                                Poll here.

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                                                  Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                                                  There is only one thing more bizarre than the Daily Mail talking about the EU, and that's the Daily Mail Talking about Ireland

                                                  It's good to see that Jeffrey Donaldson has a firm grip on things.

                                                  None of this changes the reality that Northern Ireland remains part of the UK and I believe it is likely to do so in the lifetime of every single person alive today.
                                                  'What the EU is doing is little more than clarifying a legal position. No person in their right mind would want to give up British citizenship to join an organisation that is seriously struggling.
                                                  'This is no more than the Irish government trying to lay down a marker that there wouldn't be a problem.
                                                  'There is more chance of the Irish Republic wanting to rejoin the UK... given its huge dependence on the UK for trade.'


                                                  Four months ago The minister for Finance went on the Telly to tell us all that we had to prepare for an economic future where we would be doing very little trade with the UK, and that we needed to find new export markets for our goods.

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                                                    Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

                                                    Essentially a variation on the "BMW doctrine" of early Brexiters. In polite society, those notions are mocked but in Brexiters circles, they still hold true. There is a stoical stupidity on display there which is admirable in a way. May will pull out the UK of talks based on this and probably expect the country to unite behind her and, up to a point, she will have large support.

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