The Brexit Thread

[Diable Rouge]

Bloomberg report that UK is mulling keeping NI alone in the Single Market - logical development is that Foster complains, and whole UK stays in Single Market "to preserve the Union":

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...mpression=true

[Lang Spoon]

Or they start building Skyscrapers on the blasted heath of Belfast “Titanic Quarter” while ye “mainlanders” rub sticks together for fuel.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Lord Digby Jones
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We must stop acting the supplicant as we seek a deal with the EU. Parl’t & the Remoaners must stop the begging posture. Get bold Britain! Take the €40 billion off the table unless the EU bullying stops & a proper trade deal is done.

It's almost like the EU saw that one coming, Digby, and got an agreement before moving on to the next phase.

Be fair though, as befits his extensive trade experience, he's got a detailed plan worked out, and isn't just relying on childish rhetoric.

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Barnier must recognise we are not frightened of a non-EU World. Where’s your bottle, Britain??!!

[Eggchaser]

He's drinking from it.

[Diable Rouge]

Cache of 40,000 e-mails exchanged between Arron Banks and Russian officials uncovered by Sunday Times. Guardian also leads on the story:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...brexit-meeting

[Tubby Isaacs]

He's drinking from it.

Him and IDS both. The latter, aside from his deceitful bollocks about "civil servants" messing it all up, reckons the EU's sitting there thinking "Fuck, we've been banking on getting that money now, better give in". As far as I can tell, there's about half of it due by 2020 as part of our agreement to the EU budget. That's a couple of long years on WTO terms for us.

[Tubby Isaacs]

It is understood they were presented with a business opportunity in which they were offered a chance to invest in a plan to buy six Russian gold firms and merge them into a single entity, potentially netting a profit of several billion dollars.

Banks and Wigmore believed this rubbish?

[Nefertiti2]

Are you sure it's rubbish, Tubby?

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1005562906229043201

https://twitter.com/FbpeMike/status/1005566914800873472

[Tubby Isaacs]

Just the bit that they'd get billions out of it.

In other news, EU going to hit May with obscure technicality we couldn't have expected.

[Tubby Isaacs]

While IDS and all talk rubbish. we can be assured that the left's Brains Trust get the issue properly.

[Lang Spoon]

This is all fucking mental. Of course Brexit is no one’s number one pressing issue right now. But it seems these Cunts are just in total denial of what no single market no customs union no prospects Britain will be like. What pitiful luxury automated Communism possible there. Scotland with proper Brexit will go back to 70s level population decline, Old Unionists stalk the land, poison the wells. Youse racist concerns listening Labour left or right might be happy with the end of FoM, this shit is essential to keep Scotland growing. Let alone Wales, but I guess Wales has abdicated responsibility for itself with its caving in the Withdrwawl Bill. Nice one Carwyn ya outgoing blind to constitutional implications Wlab cunt ya.


Hard Brexit is demographic death for Scotland, NI , Wales, half England, and the Bastard jazz hands new left wanks are playing their own top trumps legit concerns. labour must die for Labour to be reborn.

[johnr]

While IDS and all talk rubbish. we can be assured that the left's Brains Trust get the issue properly.

In context - manic 'Brexit is the only thing that matters/Stop Brexit!' responses every time Corbyn or someone prominent on the left tweets - I totally agree with him. Only in context though.

[Tubby Isaacs]

The context is him not understanding the issue properly.

[johnr]

I'm afraid it isn't, but maybe you don't get it, if you don't see the comments he's talking about (this isn't snark). Though if we're doing 'bad tweets that negate a whole person's argument', then there's this from the Centrist's wet dream, James O'Brien https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status...99622129889281

[Tubby Isaacs]

It's nothing to do with "doing alright" or not. And anyhow, I thought empathy for those who aren't and won't is supposed to be what his politics are all about.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Zarb-Cousin has pulled this sort of rubbish before.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...aged-remainers

Remainers are "middle aged, middle class". Given that Labour these days wins Kensington and loses Mansfield, the class jibe is a bit rich.

The best bit is this.

But if you accept the premise that austerity is a political choice, not an economic necessity – that cutting spending is counterproductive as it inhibits growth, whereas investment can boost it – then that approach must also apply to a recession if we happen to be outside the single market.

That's not understanding Brexit at all. It's a permanent and ongoing downgrade that you can't spend your way out of in the longer term.

[Lang Spoon]

It’s magical thinking bollocks

[Lang Spoon]

If the Tories do deliver a soft Brexit/endless transition, will Starmer and Gardiner still continue to demand no SM, and the “Freedom to do our own trade deals” like a pair of wallys?

[Lang Spoon]

And the great fraudulent Bogeyman of State Aid. Either spivs or eejits.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Matt Zarb Cousin is very pleased with himself, for a fucking moron. I hope he doesn't mind fucking rationing.

[San Bernardhinault]

What does he think the "important" issues are? Jobs, the economy, redistributing wealth from London to the regions, human rights legislation, not beating up on foreigners? Because all of those are going to get much worse after Brexit. Brexit is absolutely key to this stuff.

Maybe he thinks the important issues are things like the NHS charging fees for parking at hospitals.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Bastani has the answer.

Aaron Bastani
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Go down the nearest high street and ask workers if they want a £12 minimum wage and social housing or a second referendum. In fact, let's do a video together and find out @eddiemarsan - by the looks of it I think you might be surprised.

Admittedly Eddie Marsan dishes it out a bit, and I don't agree with a second referendum, but this thinking does my nut. It's like that drivel the No to AV ran. "This worker wants a council flat, not this fancy sounding thing".

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Hmm Wikipedia tells me Eddie Marsan was from Bethnal green, his dad was a lorry driver, and his mam was a dinner lady. He left school at 16 and did an apprenticeship as a printer. just as that industry essentially died. So Basically just an other Eddie Redmayne type then.

[Nefertiti2]

Both sides are fucking stupid. The major question is how do you get a turnaround on brexit and attacking Corbyn for every move he makes is moronic.

The gall of the likes of say Fiona Miller, Alistair Campbell's parner, or Campbell himself attacking Corbyn 24/7 for every positive policy he introduces because it's not Brexit

As Chris Grey has just blogged

"any reversal of the Brexit vote would have to be accompanied by policies addressing some of its root causes. Just as Brexiters are quite wrong to think that the vote was a kind of time machine taking us back to 1973, so too are those Remainers who think there is a time machine to take us back to 2016."

For too long the EU was gamed by the governing classes to be a scapegoat for all British failings and run in a manner which meant that already neglected working class areas had no protection whatsoever. So just foaming at the mouth doesn't cut it. We need policies that are about reconstructing the areas and the infrastructure that are so badly affected and developing a strategy insread of making Corbyn a scapegoat for a hard rump of right wing anti immigration MP's who are working to stop a left Labour government whether its in or out of the EU.

[Lang Spoon]

All that would be possible within the EU, or the softest of Brexits. Impossible if not in the Single Market.