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    For a left government that intended to bring public utilities and other privatized industries back into public ownership to strengthen investment, improve services, and meet social aims, these state aid rules would prove major obstacles, especially in view of the entrenched neoliberal outlook of EU institutions and their probable hostile reactions.
    There are certainly problems with our rail system, but there's nothing I can see that stops the government investing in it- it's embarking on about £35bn investment in HS2, for starters. What does he mean by "social aims" anyway? Connecting lots of new places to the rail network, running lots more trains, setting affordable fares? We can do all of that if we want as things stand.

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      A Left government does not need to be in the Single Market to propose a more progressive and fair migration policy—and it must do so if it is to remain within the spirit of internationalism.
      What does that mean? Fewer Romanians, more Indians?

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        Bollocksing shite. They will lose the next election to the corpse of the Tory party, cos their Katy Clark worldview is just as fucked and bare faced lying as Rees Mogg. Silly Socialism in One Country bollocks.

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          Today's solution to the NI border problem.

          A 10 mile buffer zone.

          https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...atus-1.3516051

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            Um, what? If it has "joint EU UK" status, why do you need a buffer zone? And, besides, any "EU status" is necessarily joint with the UK (or Ireland, I suppose, but that's presumably not on the table).

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              That just sounds like creating two borders 10 miles apart.

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                As someone said on Twitter, Davis has reached his 'monkey tennis' moment now.

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                  Slightly less dumb version leaked to CityAM, but it's still pie in the sky.
                  Proponents of this idea of this special economic zone suggested it was virtually identical to existing standards and would not result in the feared border down the Irish sea. The freedom of movement red line will remain intact as long as the UK does not impose visas for EU27 citizens and the Republic does not enter the EU's Schengen Zone.
                  Hahahahahaha

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                    Also, I like how this makes Derry Europe's Tijuana.

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                      Left against Brexit

                      "“There is nothing about Brexit that will make life better for the working class,” [manuel] Cortes said [from the TSSA]. “It was a rightwing brainchild won – and only narrowly – on a deceitful programme of dog-whistle racism and the big lie that the NHS would get £350m a week- The left should unite now and come together to stop this Tory act of war against our class. Our job is always to defend our people against the boss class. Supporting Tory/Ukip Brexit is unacceptable class collaboration. Full stop.”

                      Cortes said the time was right for Labour to reconsider its message on Brexit. He called for the party to “come clean with the electorate [to] say the Brexit squeeze ain’t worth the juice”.

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                        Originally posted by Ginger Yellow View Post
                        Also, I like how this makes Derry Europe's Tijuana.
                        Not to mention that the inhabitants of the Buffer Zone would presumably become stateless.

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                          Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                          Left against Brexit

                          "“There is nothing about Brexit that will make life better for the working class,” [manuel] Cortes said [from the TSSA]. “It was a rightwing brainchild won – and only narrowly – on a deceitful programme of dog-whistle racism and the big lie that the NHS would get £350m a week- The left should unite now and come together to stop this Tory act of war against our class. Our job is always to defend our people against the boss class. Supporting Tory/Ukip Brexit is unacceptable class collaboration. Full stop.”

                          Cortes said the time was right for Labour to reconsider its message on Brexit. He called for the party to “come clean with the electorate [to] say the Brexit squeeze ain’t worth the juice”.
                          They're a bit late.

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                            Not to mention that the inhabitants of the Buffer Zone would presumably become stateless.
                            Given how little meat there is on the bones of this proposal I don't see why that should be the case. Besides, I seem to recall that part of the December agreement on Ireland was that the citizenship bit of the GFA would continue.

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                              I'm sorry, but if Corbyn says the phrase "the squeeze ain't worth the juice" I am going to hurt myslef laughing.

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                                Originally posted by Lucy Waterman View Post
                                They're a bit late.
                                Indeed. And very unspecific about how they're going to 'stop Brexit'.

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                                  Originally posted by pebblethefish View Post
                                  I'm sorry, but if Corbyn says the phrase "the squeeze ain't worth the juice" I am going to hurt myslef laughing.
                                  He's twistin' your melon, man, you know he talks so hip...

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                                    Originally posted by johnr View Post
                                    Indeed. And very unspecific about how they're going to 'stop Brexit'.
                                    Agreed. Might just be hoping they can shift Corbyn to an EEA position as a compromise.

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                                      Fair play to Manuel Cortes as a rail union leader for being anti-Brexit. The leaderships of the RMT and ASLEF are Lexiters and crank out stuff like this.

                                      https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...brexit-8126878

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                                        It is hoped that the option ultimately presented will have moved on enough from the options ruled out by Brussels “to allow Barnier to say we are not quite happy, but it’s enough to move onto talks”.
                                        Oh christ. How stupid are these people? The EU completely ruled out both options. What makes people think that stitching the two together like a crazed taxidermist is going to win over the EU?

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                                          It's been their approach all along. Try to come up with some form of words that they can interpret one way and Europe can interpret another, all in the hope of getting to FTA talks before the EU wants, so that the magical free trade agreement can wash away all the inconsistencies and impossibilities in their position.

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                                            BTW it's really easy to see that that Jacobin article was written by a Greek. Looking up the author's bio, he's a former Syriza MP, who joined that other party, when Syriza agreed to the second bailout. TBH that article makes more sense if you view it as a defence of parts of the status quo in Greece, than a coherent plan for the UK. I suspect he's maybe just a little ahead of the Curve, because leaving the single market and the customs union is going to make the UK a lot more like Greece than you'd think.

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                                              Originally posted by Ginger Yellow View Post
                                              It's been their approach all along. Try to come up with some form of words that they can interpret one way and Europe can interpret another, all in the hope of getting to FTA talks before the EU wants, so that the magical free trade agreement can wash away all the inconsistencies and impossibilities in their position.
                                              I don't think they understand just how angry people having two different interpretations of an agreement makes the EU. Literally everything the EU does revolves around everyone getting into a room, hammering out an agreed position, and making sure that everyone leaving the room has exactly the same interpretation of what the agreement means. Otherwise it all ends in Chaos. So when David Davis says that the backstop isn't binding, or doesn't mean what it clearly says it means, then they think that they are dealing with a profoundly untrustworthy moron.

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                                                Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                                                they think that they are dealing with a profoundly untrustworthy moron.
                                                What do you mean "think"?

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                                                  Yeah, it basically seems to be a strategy of procrastination while they a) make shit up as they go along, and b) cling on to power for as long as possible, so I'm not sure they care how the EU feels about it as long as it delays having to face up to reality. Obviously this can only continue for so long. The most favourable read is that they still have a hopelessly misguided opinion of the strength of the UK's negotiating position, so they think they can bully the EU into a framework at the last minute. Because otherwise it's almost treasonously cynical.

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                                                    On the other hand, Liam Fox is looking well.

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