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    Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
    Do your passports expire every five years?
    As Muuka says, 10 years and we have to pay a load when we renew.

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      In that case, a redesign every five years strikes me as excessive, particularly for a government that still believes in austerity.

      The US doesn’t do redesigns that often.

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        Seems excessive to me too.

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          Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
          Will cost half a billion quid, apparently

          It’s an amazing feat of propaganda that a few people actually do seem to care.
          Does that not cover the cost of producing new passports when current ones expire anyway?

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            Originally posted by Toby Gymshorts View Post
            Just renewed mine recently. They can fuck off if they think I'm paying for a new one.
            Won't it be valid until expiry without the need for a new one?

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              It would be rude not to renew for another 10 years right before the burgundy passports are retired.

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                Originally posted by Guy Profumo View Post
                Does that not cover the cost of producing new passports when current ones expire anyway?
                Surely the costs of actually producing the new cost is covered by a tiny fraction of the price you pay when applying for a new passport.

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                  Black. The fucking passports were fucking well black.

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                    The old British passports were had board covers with die-cuts on the front and glued on inside cover sheets. The format was also significantly larger than most current passports. Is this what they're returning to (which would be significantly more expensive to produce) or will the new one just have a blue, instead of red, flexible cover? Exactly like Canada and the US.

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                      Originally posted by TonTon View Post
                      Black. The fucking passports were fucking well black.
                      They were dark navy (I'm looking at my last one, issued in 1966)

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                        Originally posted by Guy Profumo View Post
                        Won't it be valid until expiry without the need for a new one?
                        It says "European Union" on it, Guy. Even if it is valid, foaming fuckwit Brexiteers will make sure we all have to get a blue one, because SOVEREIGNTY. Or something.

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                          They seemed to get darker just before accession

                          i can see why TonTon calls this black.


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                            Yeah it is very dark navy. You pretty much have to put it next to something that is black — like a moleskin notebook — to see that it's actually blue.

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                              Only priests are allowed black passports. Everybody else has to have very, very, very, very, very, very, very dark blue.

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                                Hmmm, I've got my first passport from 1981 -- identical to the picture posted by ursus except for the PA in the bottom right hand corner is missing from mine -- and putting it alongside anything that is black then I can see that it is black. Perhaps the colour was changed over the intervening period from mid-'60s to early '80s or maybe some slight difference in the colour of the batches.

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                                  A Panelbase poll puts support for Scottish independence at 49%:

                                  https://wingsoverscotland.com/anybodys-game/

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                                    The Scots are a lost cause

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                                      It’s the 19% of Yes voters from 2014 that have switched to no since Brexit that really fuck with my head. What kind of fucking idiot would you have to be to think staying part of Britain outside the EU is better than Independence within the EU? Sillars style eejit Lexit pensioners, wankers whose nationalism was less civic, joyous and more like any White Van Man dahn sahf, mibbees some people are just irredeemable idiots.
                                      Last edited by Lang Spoon; 23-12-2017, 00:06.

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                                        The same people who switched from Obama to Trump, but with different accents

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                                          At least some of those trump voters thought they were sticking it to the man.

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                                            Yeah they were black, the most recent non-red passports. Actual black.

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                                              John Redwood's festive fairy tale is quite something.

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                                                Originally posted by Southport Zeb View Post
                                                Only priests are allowed black passports. Everybody else has to have very, very, very, very, very, very, very dark blue.
                                                Hurray!!!

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                                                  Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                                                  It’s the 19% of Yes voters from 2014 that have switched to no since Brexit that really fuck with my head. What kind of fucking idiot would you have to be to think staying part of Britain outside the EU is better than Independence within the EU? Sillars style eejit Lexit pensioners, wankers whose nationalism was less civic, joyous and more like any White Van Man dahn sahf, mibbees some people are just irredeemable idiots.
                                                  It's not that weird. If you were into leaving the EU in 2014 you voted for independence. if you wanted to vote to stay in the EU you voted to remain in the union.

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                                                    Would independence have resulted in leaving the EU?

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