The Brexit Thread

[Lang Spoon]

Hang on, are there two Gonzos??

[Lang Spoon]

Time for bed before I drive pins into my eyes. Why would I turn on Question Time? Who the fuck is that Mockney cunt on the panel? Idiot joy showland. Set the cunt’s jumper on fire.

[anton pulisov]

This is the Labour party's position on Brexit according to Jenny Chapman . Listen and weep.

Won't play.

RTE would do well to use some of Tubridy's salary to build a website that actually fucking works.

[Lang Spoon]

Same here, broken black page (except for a banner ad for Saoirview, the poor man’s rubbish Freeview Irish equivalent).

[Ginger Yellow]

Phase 2 guidelines from the Council:

It calls on the Union negotiator and the United Kingdom to complete the work on all withdrawal issues, including those not yet addressed in the first phase, in conformity with the European Council guidelines of 29 April 2017, to consolidate the results obtained, and to start drafting the relevant parts of the Withdrawal Agreement. It underlines that negotiations in the second phase can only progress as long as all commitments undertaken during the first phase are respected in full and translated faithfully into legal terms as quickly as possible.

2. In the negotiations during the second phase addressing transitional arrangements as well as the overall understanding on the framework for the future relationship the European Council guidelines of 29 April 2017 continue to apply in their entirety and must be respected.

3. As regards transition, the European Council notes the proposal put forward by the United Kingdom for a transition period of around two years, and agrees to negotiate a transition period covering the whole of the EU acquis, while the United Kingdom, as a third country, will no longer participate in or nominate or elect members of the EU institutions, nor participate in the decision-making of the Union bodies, offices and agencies.
Such transitional arrangements, which will be part of the Withdrawal Agreement, must be in the interest of the Union, clearly defined and precisely limited in time. In order to ensure a level playing field based on the same rules applying throughout the Single Market, changes to the acquis adopted by EU institutions, bodies, offices and agencies will have to apply both in the United Kingdom and the EU. All existing Union regulatory, budgetary, supervisory, judiciary and enforcement instruments and structures will also apply, including the competence of the Court of Justice of the European Union. As the United Kingdom will continue to participate in the Customs Union and the Single Market (with all four freedoms) during the transition, it will have to continue to comply with EU trade policy, to apply EU customs tariff and collect EU customs duties, and to ensure all EU checks are being performed on the border vis-à-vis other third countries.

5. The European Council calls on the Commission to put forward appropriate recommendations to this effect, and on the Council to adopt additional negotiating directives on transitional arrangements in January 2018.

The European Council reconfirms its desire to establish a close partnership between the Union and the United Kingdom. While an agreement on a future relationship can only be finalised and concluded once the United Kingdom has become a third country, the Union will be ready to engage in preliminary and preparatory discussions with the aim of identifying an overall understanding of the framework for the future relationship, once additional guidelines have been adopted to this effect. Such an understanding should be elaborated in a political declaration accompanying and referred to in the Withdrawal Agreement.

7. The Union takes note that the United Kingdom has stated its intention to no longer participate in the Customs Union and the Single Market after the end of the transition period, and the European Council will calibrate its approach as regards trade and economic cooperation in the light of this position so as to ensure a balance of rights and obligations, preserve a level playing field, avoid upsetting existing relations with other third countries, and to respect all other principles set out in its guidelines of 29 April 2017, in particular the need to preserve the integrity and proper functioning of the Single Market.
The European Council reconfirms its readiness to establish partnerships in areas unrelated to trade and economic cooperation, in particular the fight against terrorism and international crime, as well as security, defence and foreign policy.

9. The European Council will continue to follow the negotiations closely and will adopt additional guidelines in March 2018, in particular as regards the framework for the future relationship. It calls on the United Kingdom to provide further clarity on its position on the framework for the future relationship. The European Council invites the Council (Art. 50) together with the Union negotiator to continue internal preparatory discussions, including on the scope of the framework for the future relationship.

[Flynnie]

Yeah, I agree with that. I think it's over. Hence the reading up on US immigration law.

With all due respect Ian, have you had a head injury? You're poor here. You're deluding yourself if you think being poor in America is better.

[Diable Rouge]

The Taoiseach states the final agreement will need approval by all EU parliaments - this could yet verge into legal territory requiring a referendum here:

https://mobile.twitter.com/paulcolga...69411861254144

[Tubby Isaacs]

Please, please, please hold a referendum.

[Ginger Yellow]

He's talking about the trade agreement there, not the withdrawal.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Whatever. The site of the UK hanging on a referendum in Ireland will give us all a good laugh. Even better if Ireland rejects it, and we're fucked. Just to piss off Kippers who keep going on about "THE EU MAKING PEOPLE VOTE UNTIL THEY GET THE RIGHT RESULT".

I don't literally mean this.

[Diable Rouge]

UK fishermen, rejoice - no British representation on fishing councils during the transition period, but must still abide by the quotas set:

https://mobile.twitter.com/faisalisl...74786853441536

[Tubby Isaacs]

No special dispensation for Grimsby?

I'm not snarking at Grimsby. It's not the poor sod who suggested that was only trying to find a way out of the mess Cameron and all foisted on him.

[Paul S]

It's not the poor sod who suggested that was only trying to find a way out of the mess Cameron and all foisted on him.

The poor sole surely?

[Diable Rouge]

Interestingly, staunch unionist Newton Emerson has highlighted that NI residents could vote for Irish MEPs by virtue of citizenship - probably only a slim chance that unionists would either stand or vote, but it would certainly boost North-South relations:

https://mobile.twitter.com/NewtonEme...94381827657729

[Diable Rouge]

Tony Connelly learns that implementation of the Border Agreement will be most troublesome:

https://mobile.twitter.com/tconnelly...25491769118720

[Diable Rouge]

When is a Brexit not a Brexit? When D-Day could be postponed:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lion-over-date

[Diable Rouge]

I don't know what history book Quentin Letts read lately:


https://mobile.twitter.com/thequenti...54685425364997

[Lang Spoon]

Kill them all, let God sort them out.

[ursus arctos]

Letts appears to have attended four schools and a college in Kentucky before making it to Trinity.

He appears not to have learned a thing at any of them.

[Diable Rouge]

Informative long-form piece by Tommie Gorman on the DUP and relations with Dublin over the years:

https://www.rte.ie/amp/927625/?__twi...mpression=true

[Satchmo Distel]

Time for bed before I drive pins into my eyes. Why would I turn on Question Time? Who the fuck is that Mockney cunt on the panel? Idiot joy showland. Set the cunt’s jumper on fire.

"Mockney cunt" is surely a tautology: all Mockneys are cunts.

[Toby Gymshorts]

Quentin Letts is a pustulating arsepiece, with possibly the most slappable face in history.

[Satchmo Distel]

[Diable Rouge]

Hammond confirms SM and CU rules will apply during the transition period:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-says-hammond

[Tubby Isaacs]

Any word on trade deals during the transition? Can we make those? I assume not, or else that would cholorinated chicken in the customs union.