The Brexit Thread

[Tubby Isaacs]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

I'm not sure we're disagreeing at all. We're fucked. Add to that our own silly choice in starting before French and German elections.

I'm not naive about the City. That's my inner London house price at stake. "Leverage" means not being killed straight off, but more slowly.

[Diable Rouge]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

Once again, Fintan O'Toole is at the top of his intellectual game on future Anglo-Irish relations.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

Some bad mood music from Peugeot/ Vauxhall.

Tory Hard Brexit job cuts on the cards? Or corporate shakedown?

What's Labour's response? Probably "we'll hand out more free money than the Tories, vote for us". At least with Corbyn, that's what he thinks should happen. How the Labour Right (non-London edition) feel about parroting this, God knows. Sod them.

[E10 Rifle]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

Fintan O'Toole is consistently bang on

[Tubby Isaacs]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

Big Bad Len McCluskey is having to run around, trying to save jobs the Tory Right would happily piss away for the sake of red white and blue passports.

There's the potential to reallign politics here.

[Diable Rouge]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

Love the Guardian commentators' uproar at Labour's amendment to guarantee EU nationals residency before the reverse occurs - for one thing, why would Ireland turf out 200k UK nationals or Spain do the same to 1m Brits? Meanwhile, in one of his last acts, Kenny seeks assurances that NI would be guaranteed the GDR route to membership in the remote eventuality of unification.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

Furious cutter of red tape John Redwood apparently exercised by farm workers who might stay over the winter to do other seasonal jobs.

[Duncan Gardner]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

Diable Rouge wrote: Meanwhile, in one of his last acts, Kenny seeks assurances that NI would be guaranteed the GDR route to membership in the remote eventuality of unification

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That O'Toole article is depressingly realistic, although he goes over the top elsewhere. Even if he guessed/ knew about the DUP moneylaundering for the Leave Campaign before the rest of us, blaming the Demotics mainly for Brexit is a stretch.

[GCostanza]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

Redwood's an idiot and who's blaming the DUP dinosaurs for anything, besides reverting to type?

[Ginger Yellow]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

It's a good thing the Brexiteers have their eyes on the prize.

[ursus arctos]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

Karnevalzeit

[GCostanza]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

Ginger Yellow wrote: It's a good thing the Brexiteers have their eyes on the prize.

C & P please?

[Diable Rouge]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

So, an Irish citizen who moves to the UK once Article 50 is triggered will have to apply for a visa, while one currently living there won't, all while the Ireland Act supposedly guarantees all born in the Republic residency!

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

Right so, time to start setting shit on fire.

That carnival float is brilliant.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

John Major gives May a huge rocket.

Funny old game. He's derided by the online brains trust, and John Redwood is running British EU policy.

[Diable Rouge]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

Meanwhile, in the 26 Counties, the Eurobarometer poll in the Irish Times reports 90% support for freedom of movement, 85% backing remaining in the eurozone, and 67% happy to stay in the EU, over 2.5 times the negative percentage.

[Nefertiti2]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

The fuckers have already changed the residency rulesfor EU citizens and are now demanding they have something called Comprehensive Sickness Insurance

[Lang Spoon]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

I forsee... Beaks in two countries having a cash happy laugh if they try this CSI (I'd imagine some branding consultant shitebag to Govt had mega lolz at that one) shit on t'Irish. And worse than the beaks, given time. It's just evil shoot yourself in the jaw nonsense. Talking of shoot yourself in the jaw nonsense, mibees the most astute comment on the tweets re Khan/Corbyn's wholly successful trip up North was comparing them to Eastenders when they went to Oirland.

And how long before the Espanish reduce their health budget by removing hundreds of thousands of unintegrated, non tax paying Costas? A dangerous pointless game. Most EU migrants to the UK contribute toward growth. you'd be struggling to make the same case of UK migration to southern fucked Europe. Apart from TEFL teachers (when not too lunchtime drunk/baked to be much help to Jordi and Maite passing the Cambridge First Certificate Examinen in the evening class, at least in my case) where is the Great British Immigrant (nah mate, ex-pat) contribution to Spain outside the tourist joints?

[anton pulisov]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

Nefertiti2 wrote: The fuckers have already changed the residency rulesfor EU citizens and are now demanding they have something called Comprehensive Sickness Insurance

This is already the case in Sweden. To be granted right to residence in Sweden, even as an EU citizen, you have to show that you will have access to health coverage by either presenting an employment contract (which grants you access to the Swedish NHS through taxes) or a proof of some comprehensive private insurance scheme. This is all allowed under the terms of the Maastricht Treaty.

The UK governments have had 23 years to sort it out since the Maastricht Treaty went into force, and they did fuck all about it, mostly due to enormous incompetence. Any problems with 'benefits tourism' where easy to sort out under the terms of the Maastricht Treaty, because the EU already thought about it.

The UK governments have never really bothered themselves to figure out how the EU works.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

Diable Rouge wrote: Meanwhile, in the 26 Counties, the Eurobarometer poll in the Irish Times reports 90% support for freedom of movement, 85% backing remaining in the eurozone, and 67% happy to stay in the EU, over 2.5 times the negative percentage.

67% happy to remain in the EU represents a 13% fall over all the other surveys on this topic. Perhaps the English didn't do anything about benefits tourism is because it doesn't happen.

[anton pulisov]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

From the UK white paper on Brexit:
"The Government is clear that no deal for the UK is better than a bad deal for the UK."

So, if not allowed to shoot themselves in the foot, the UK will be left with no choice than to shoot themselves in the head.

That'll show the EU.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

[Tubby Isaacs]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

The best bit from the white paper is where it says "The EU doesn't interfere, but sometimes it feels like it does" or words to that effect.

That's it. Hard Brexit because we didn't like how it feels sometimes.

Our ally Trump looks like he's preparing for a war with China. That'll enhance our world standing.

[anton pulisov]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

Perhaps the English didn't do anything about benefits tourism is because it doesn't happen.

If it does happen, it is a fringe problem anyway.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Brexit Means: Leaving Single Market, Customs Union European Court of Justice

I'm sure that some migrants end up relying on benefits or needing healthcare at various points. But no-one leaves home, and all their family and friends in order to be on the dole in a foreign country.

There's something quite bizarre about that eurobarometer survey. It implies that even if you include the 8% neutrals, at least 10% of the 25% that think we would be better off outside the european union think we should stay in the eurozone, and 16% of the 25 think we should defend freedom of movement to our dying day. There is a lot of weirdness in the disconnected thinking.