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      someone is going to have to put manners on the Sun. They don't really realize that at this precarious point in their history basically any small country in the EU can drag the UK economy out behind the shed, put two in its brain, and bury it in a shallow grave. This may be a difficult thing for brexiteers to grasp, but Malta could end air travel in the UK if that's what they want.

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        I'd fully expect a large part of the leave vote to be fuckwitted blow-in retirees beyond working age; people in Cornwall dependent on the wider economy can't have been so fucking stupid.

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          .

          Truro & Falmouth - REMAIN: 28,470 LEAVE: 25,393

          St Ives - REMAIN: 21,105 LEAVE: 25,022

          Camborne & Redruth - REMAIN: 23,704 LEAVE: 39,827

          South East Cornwall - REMAIN: 22,972 LEAVE: 32,067

          North Cornwall - REMAIN: 21,669 LEAVE: 31,848

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            Clever Brexiter spots what's causing the logjam.

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              Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post
              I suspect that "look what they did to our fisherman" was a big factor in Cornwall- Gove and all managed to get that one all over the media, and it likely talked to lots of people nowhere near the coast.

              Of course, in the greater scheme of things, the fishing industry is small, and isn't going to be a huge priority in negotiations. At the moment, we might be exporting to the EEA by bankers having a quota they can carry in their briefcase.
              That along with many other fishy reasons, but mainly the fact that nationalism (or its main offshoot in this case, rabid Euroscepticism) rose above all other considerations, including self-interest or self-preservation.

              Or simply because there are too many pigeons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et5-...utu.be&t=1m21s

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                Who could have guessed, eh? After nice moderate Mr Cameron ran in 2015 on nationalism! Who could have foreseen that a year later, it would bite him on the arse?

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                  Originally posted by NHH View Post
                  I'd fully expect a large part of the leave vote to be fuckwitted blow-in retirees beyond working age; people in Cornwall dependent on the wider economy can't have been so fucking stupid.
                  That’s what logic would dictate but I wouldn’t be so sure, there were plenty of workers happy to shoot themselves in the foot for whatever reasons (often out of ignorance, misinformation etc.). We’ve heard it all before with Brexit and rational thinking (if there was any) was too often superseded by emotions and "voting with one’s heart", or "guts feeling" as I heard. The whole thing was ignorance and irrationality writ large.

                  Heading off to start the afternoon shift and assemble a few more models, one production line worker, who has been with Nissan for 18 years, said he was one of just two people in his 40-strong team to vote to stay in the EU.



                  Leave voters are happy for family members to lose their jobs over Brexit


                  etc.

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                    I still say this hits the nail on the head more than most. (4 minutes or so.)

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                      Originally posted by Kev7 View Post
                      That’s what logic would dictate but I wouldn’t be so sure, there were plenty of workers happy to shoot themselves in the foot for whatever reasons (often out of ignorance, misinformation etc.). We’ve heard it all before with Brexit and rational thinking (if there was any) was too often superseded by emotions and "voting with one’s heart", or "guts feeling" as I heard. The whole thing was ignorance and irrationality writ large.

                      Heading off to start the afternoon shift and assemble a few more models, one production line worker, who has been with Nissan for 18 years, said he was one of just two people in his 40-strong team to vote to stay in the EU.



                      Leave voters are happy for family members to lose their jobs over Brexit


                      etc.
                      The keenest supporter of Brexit that I know works for an investment bank, in the reprographics department. He dismisses every report about banks relocating and peripheral staff losing their jobs as "scaremongering poppycock". He's got no backup skills AFAIK, having been in the same job for 20+ years, and as he's employed through a third-party, won't even get a decent pay-off.

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                        Vote Leave goons aren't letting up. And this is completely false.

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                          In a worrying development, civil servants frequently had to clarify the Tory politician's statements during a series of meetings in Dublin
                          https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36331044.html

                          One source warned he "has no idea of the practical ramifications" of the UK's decision to leave the European Union.

                          "He wants Brexit and wants it now. He doesn't care if it's hard or soft. He just wants out," a well-placed source said.
                          Remember, he's really clever behind that disarming buffoonery.

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                            The Irish side have long been hinting that the UK govt doesn't really understand what is going on at all. The fact that they are openly saying it is worth noting.

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                              Kristin Scott Thomas is really good. That was special. But, would have done more good in the Express.

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                                Old OTF fave Daniel Hannan is already describing Ireland as "the other side" in response to an Alistair Campbell tweet defending Varadkar.

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                                  Toby Young called Ireland "a foreign power", I think.

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                                    Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                                    Oh yes. Question Time seem to love her as well. I guess unsubstantiated polemic and racist pandering are what counts as good debate now.
                                    I sincerely hope delicatemoth wasn't listening to The Moral Maze this week.

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                                      The Mail on Sunday (which supported Remain) has more on the Gove-Johnson letter. It's not pretty.

                                      In the full letter, Foreign Secretary Mr Johnson and Environment Secretary Mr Gove lend weight to claims that some Brexiteers want Mrs May to turn the UK into the 'Singapore of Europe' by slashing tax and red tape.

                                      And they say she must prepare for crashing out of the EU after a 'total breakdown' in Brexit talks.

                                      The rebel pair flex their muscles by saying she should force all Cabinet Ministers to 'submit to a process' to prove they are enforcing a 'hard Brexit' blueprint – including recruiting thousands of extra customs and immigration officers. The 2,500-word letter portrays Mrs May as an enfeebled PM forced to take orders from the two men who brought down her predecessor David Cameron.

                                      In addition to sidelining Mr Davis, they also take aim at Chancellor Philip Hammond, whose supporters were furious when we revealed how Mr Johnson and Mr Gove accused him of failing to show 'sufficient energy' to prepare for a 'no-deal' outcome with the EU.

                                      The letter will revive the debate over whether Britain could use Brexit to become a low-tax, low- regulation 'Singapore-style' economy. It says: 'We may choose to remain identical to the EU – or we may embrace a vision more aligned with pro-competitive regulation. Other countries must know this choice is in our hands – and they must know it on day one.'

                                      An overhaul of science and technology rules will 'give the UK big advantages over EU members,' they argue. 'Our tax system is hugely complex after the long years of Labour government. There will be huge savings from reducing the burden of compliance.'

                                      Supporters of the idea say it would create an economic boom – but critics say it would undermine workers' rights.

                                      The Ministers attempt to address this criticism by saying that it is 'not about deregulating' but about 'regulating better', with a 'vision more aligned with pro-competitive regulation'.

                                      They claim mandarins are incapable of implementing a 'hard Brexit' and must be replaced by Ministers backed by 'strong' political apparatchiks and the urgent appointment of a new, non-elected 'Brexit Tsar' in charge of an Implementation Task Force (ITF).

                                      'The ITF leader should have direct authority to mobilise Whitehall on Brexit preparation issues and brief the Cabinet.'

                                      This newspaper has been told Tory Brexit leaders want Matthew Elliott, former chief executive of Vote Leave, and now a senior fellow with pro-Brexit think-tank the Legatum Institute, to be the tsar.

                                      The letter states that Mrs May must not allow the European Court of Justice to have jurisdiction over new EU rules in the UK during the transition.

                                      They write: 'There should be no question of the UK implementing new EU rules during this period – or ECJ jurisdiction on any new rules. Clarifying that in the minds of colleagues who have not yet internalised that logic would help.'

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                                        I suggest this is time for the Opposition to step things up a bit on the Brexit front. That's rewriting the constitution, right there.

                                        Corbyn rightly went after Johnson last week. He can go after him and this letter again.

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                                          You should have run for the Scottish leadership, Tubbs, you probably would have been as much a weel kent Ace Face as Richard Leonard prior to Sarwar imploding on his family businesses lacking a stakeholdery/basic decency ethos.

                                          Worry is Leonard is a Lexit fanny. Better hope he can be reigned in and keep some kind of united front with (the fatally wounded?) Carwyn Jones against a non single market floppy Brexit. Or cede that ground to Sturgeon while he tilts at windmills and makes the right shapes toward angry Sillars type Brexit comfortable men in shit Scottish pubs with fruit machines that have their volume turned on and up.

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                                            Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post
                                            Seb Dance MEP lists the sector representatives who've met him asking for special arrangements under Brexit.

                                            He'll be getting fishing, food processing, hospitality, tourism, car manufacturing through the door in due course.
                                            And of course all these dispensations & exemptions will dovetail neatly with the Government’s post-Brexit objective to "slash net migration to the tens of thousands"…

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                                              Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                                              You should have run for the Scottish leadership, Tubbs, you probably would have been as much a weel kent Ace Face as Richard Leonard prior to Sarwar imploding on his family businesses lacking a stakeholdery/basic decency ethos.

                                              Worry is Leonard is a Lexit fanny. Better hope he can be reigned in and keep some kind of united front with (the fatally wounded?) Carwyn Jones against a non single market floppy Brexit. Or cede that ground to Sturgeon while he tilts at windmills and makes the right shapes toward angry Sillars type Brexit comfortable men in shit Scottish pubs with fruit machines that have their volume turned on and up.
                                              I haven't yet had the call from Scottish Labour.

                                              I don't think Jones, if he is fatally wounded, would be replaced by a "Brexit opportunities" type.

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                                                Originally posted by Kev7 View Post
                                                And of course all these dispensations & exemptions will dovetail neatly with the Government’s post-Brexit objective to "slash net migration to the tens of thousands"…
                                                Fortunately for the government's target, they've got no intention of seeking exemptions for Grimsby or anywhere like it.

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                                                  Barnier's started trolling the UK now. "“This is a legal reality; the EU does not want to punish, it simply draws the logical consequence of the UK decision to take back control.”" http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8064836.html

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                                                    May's Daily Mail mates are stepping up attacks on Hammond.

                                                    Soubry has had death threats.

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