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Assuming there is one, the presidential debate(s) next year will be... ummm... interesting. Biden will be slow, but articulate and well prepared. Trump, (if he participates) will be incoherent, rambling and abusive. I suspect he'll do everything he can to give it a miss. Since he lost the election he's, understandably, avoided any event where he has to give off the cuff answers or comments.
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When you have an ego the size of Trump's anything that has gone wrong is down to other people's failings.
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Yeah he doesn't have any regrets. The 'situation' is a cause for rage not reflection. In his mind he is the President.
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Again, that presumes a degree of self-awareness and capacity for reflection that isn't supported by the evidence
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I often wonder if he genuinely regrets coming down that tacky escalator 8-ish years ago. He had it pretty sweet, and this ‘situation’ is now the rest of his life.
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I basically agree with that, and think that a key lies in his non-political celebrity and the image of limitless wealth that came with that.
That allows him to pull this off with what looks to the base like effortlessness/genuineness, whereas all of the rivals are very obviously trying too hard.
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Originally posted by big dog View PostThis will only end when Trump drops dead, and if there is still democracy in America when this happens, someone else will emerge as the extreme grievance candidate because Trump has shown it is both lucrative and potentially successful.
Yes, this group will always exist in the US and always have these views. But I'm not sure Trump is necessarily replicable. Everyone who's tried to do it has failed miserably. I don't know what it is about Trump that makes him a special case, but clearly when career politicians have played Pretend Trump they've fizzled out. I wonder if it's because you need to do it all authentically. But to be authentically that stupid and believe you're right about everything and be a racist shit is one thing, to have that authentic stupidity and ego and also manage to rise up to a position to make it count may not be so common. The Ted Cruzes and Ron deSantises and even Vivek Ramaswamys are all a bit too cynical, putting the incoherent libtard baiting as a performance rather than it being part of their id.
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Originally posted by Slightly Brown View PostOnly way he loses support is if they all burn together, Waco-style.
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Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View PostI'm not even sure how much his base would shrink, if at all, if he were caught on tape molesting a child. That's the only scenario where I can imagine serious damage to the base but even that is not guaranteed to be terminal.
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The Q-anonvangelicals would find a way of explaining it. It'll be a deepfake or something. Or an apparition conjured by Satan worshipping demoncrats.
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I'm not even sure how much his base would shrink, if at all, if he were caught on tape molesting a child. That's the only scenario where I can imagine serious damage to the base but even that is not guaranteed to be terminal.Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 18-11-2023, 08:41.
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Don't forget the way he has achieved demi-messiah status among American Evangelicals, although that demographic is in decline. But evangelicalism is an authoritarian religion and admitting you're wrong about things just isn't done.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. Most ardent Trumpers are there for emotional reasons (mainly fear and anger tbh). Ironically given the way they like "triggering the libs" they are an easily triggered group. It doesn't take much to scare them into even more extreme views.Last edited by Patrick Thistle; 18-11-2023, 08:28.
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Some are still making the mistake of assuming that Trumpers use logic and thought process.
These people are merely moths in the night time who have found a light and will continue to flit around it until they die of exhaustion.
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Based on anecdotal encounters, that base will go with Trump until the very end.
The bulk of Trump's base is obsessed with paedophile cabals, religious dogma and far right republican purity (among other things) and yet will still happily hand over their life savings to a man who was a registered Democrat in the early 2000's, was listed in the Epstein flight logs, heavily promoted the COVID vaccine and has publically criticized Republican states' attempts at making it harder to get an abortion. There is nothing that can change their minds now-- this isn't about ideological consistency, this is about 'triggering the libs' and feeling like they are pushing back against a country changing around them.
This will only end when Trump drops dead, and if there is still democracy in America when this happens, someone else will emerge as the extreme grievance candidate because Trump has shown it is both lucrative and potentially successful.
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Pretty much. It seems unlikely he will pick up more somehow (moving right is his natural inclination and there isn’t much more to collect).
His base is a combination of disaffected / hardcore Republicans and a bunch of Libertarians. Oh, and old fuckers. It is a tricky growth market but it is a strong reliable subscription market.
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So "the base' is with him forever? He can't say, or do, anything that would turn them against him in any circumstance?
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Not in the slightest.
It is a cult of personality. The base doesn't care about anyone else at all.
The entourage has shrunk because those bailing still have professional aspirations in the non-Trump world, care about being shunned from polite society, and/or are facing jail time or significant personal liability.
If the base has shrunk, it will because people have died without being replaced.
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Originally posted by ursus arctos View PostWhere did I say anything about his base?
I was talking about his entourage. See, for instance, the likes of Barr, Meadows, Kelly, etc falling away leaving no one but Miller, McEntee and Bannon.
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Where did I say anything about his base?
I was talking about his entourage. See, for instance, the likes of Barr, Meadows, Kelly, etc falling away leaving no one but Miller, McEntee and Bannon.
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Originally posted by ursus arctos View PostYes.
Trump's only concern is that his outbursts are greeted with thumbs up from his base and donations.
And as that entourage has shrunk to the point where it can easily fit in a bunker, the rhetoric has become even more extreme and overtly inspired by the Nazis.
Re: Tom Nichols. I generally admire his analyses. As an old school conservative Republican he writes from both the heart and the head about the loss of his party. You feel the genuine anger. For me, even if I'd never vote as he does, it's far more revelatory than slurs and sloganeering.
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At this stage, I think Laurie Strode running as a third-party candidate is our only hope.
Anyway, the next 15 years of a Trump presidency should allow us more time to reflect on fascist nomenclatureLast edited by Slightly Brown; 17-11-2023, 22:24.
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Genetics! I knew it! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was the genetics.
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Originally posted by Plodder View PostHow can someone that unhealthy live this long? It's enough to make you doubt medical science. And why do we not hear about how he's too old, the way we constantly do with the (checks notes...) 3 year older Biden?
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