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    They didn't turn out for her because she was a deeply flawed candidate AND ran a poor campaign. If you don't think the Dems have an energize base after 3 years of Trump....well, I'm not sure how to end that sentence.

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      Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
      The Dems need to energize their base and ignore racists who won't vote for them anyways. Hillary took the BAME vote for granted and they didn't turn out for her. Or she wouldn't have lost Michigan/Penn.
      They should do it anyway, regardless of any political calculations. i mean I don;t believe it is politically damaging, but when people (especially those in power and with influence) say out and out racist things they need to be called out (I mean they need to be called out when they use racist tropes even if they're more subtle, but "send them home" is about as clear cut as it possible to be)

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        Originally posted by Bruno
        He's done much worse than Nixon, who was nearly impeached by a Republican Congress, and Democrats today are arguing about the imprudence of impeachment.
        Both houses of Congress during Nixon's terms were comfortably Democratic.

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          And there were Republicans on both Judiciary Committees who were interested in finding the truth of what had happened.

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            So morally and ethically, the Rs are worse than ever...I mean ever (?).

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              Hard to imagine a Howard Baker today.

              Good god, the R's are worse than ever. Yes, EVER!

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                It's almost frightening to see so many Republicans with such a lack of character or backbone or both. I mean, Mitt couldn't even muster the R word in answer to a direct question. "That's all I've got". Indeed, Mitt.

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                  Originally posted by Bruno

                  I guess that's a question for pollsters. I was just alluding to the stories I've read on the spat between Pelosi and AOC. If the party leader is against or annoyed with you, you're probably not unifying. The "face of the party" is eventually going to be the nominee, but Trump's goal is to make that person beholden to "the Squad."
                  If your party leader is the daughter of a corrupt party boss with mob connections you're probably not very good at winning people's hearts and minds.

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                    Just my PoV but haven't the Republicans got increasingly self-absorbed and bat-shit crazy post Eisenhower? Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Son of Bush,Trump. Each increasingly right wing, increasingly isolationist, and isolated, and less interested in government by the people and for the people. Ike's administration would seem like a bunch of goddam commie-socialists to many members of today's GOP.
                    Last edited by Amor de Cosmos; 17-07-2019, 20:30.

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                      There was Bush I's brief flirtation with "compassionate conservatism", but that narrative is pretty solid.

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                        Do you mean remove or impeach?

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                          Originally posted by Bruno

                          Ah, then was it that they needed Republican votes in order to actually impeach him and were sure they had them?
                          That's why I threw out Howard Baker.

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6NXkr9yuw0

                          Literally unthinkable for the last 20+ yrs or so.

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                            Impeachment isn't really worth shit once it hits the Senate. Not saying the House shouldn't begin the process but.

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                              Originally posted by WOM View Post
                              They didn't turn out for her because she was a deeply flawed candidate AND ran a poor campaign. If you don't think the Dems have an energize base after 3 years of Trump....well, I'm not sure how to end that sentence.
                              Biden will also be a pisspoor candidate with a racist record, I'm as shit scared of him winning the nomination as I was with HC.

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                                Originally posted by ad hoc View Post

                                They should do it anyway, regardless of any political calculations. i mean I don;t believe it is politically damaging, but when people (especially those in power and with influence) say out and out racist things they need to be called out (I mean they need to be called out when they use racist tropes even if they're more subtle, but "send them home" is about as clear cut as it possible to be)
                                I agree with you. Triangulation in place of basic decency (eg three strikes) by the Dems post Reagan has helped create this shit.

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                                  Originally posted by Amor de Cosmos View Post
                                  Just my PoV but haven't the Republicans got increasingly self-absorbed and bat-shit crazy post Eisenhower? Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Son of Bush,Trump. Each increasingly right wing, increasingly isolationist, and isolated, and less interested in government by the people and for the people. Ike's administration would seem like a bunch of goddam commie-socialists to many members of today's GOP.
                                  Nixon was a nutter but he didn't dare touch the New Deal and Great Society stuff. In fact, the Environmental Protection Agency, which recent Republicans have been so intent on destroying, was started by Nixon. So yeah, even Nixon would be ashamed of the current shower.

                                  The dismantling of society started under Reagan in the 1980s as part of a global trend of the rentier class slowly dismantling the gains made by labour movements.

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                                    It is out of hand. When you've got rallies chanting out and out race hate slogans, whipped up by the leader of the country, then things are already way past the point of "in hand"

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                                      Yeah time to take sides. You're on the side of Trump or you're on the side of 'The Squad'.

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                                        But...but... why can't you be boooooottth....?

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                                          Snake, it looks like the sarcasm font that Bruno is using isn't displaying for everyone.

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                                            I'd say he's inciting the murder of an opponent and not for the first time.

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                                              Bruno? Sounds about right.

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                                                Originally posted by E10 Rifle View Post
                                                Yeah time to take sides. You're on the side of Trump or you're on the side of 'The Squad'.
                                                Bill Pascrell Jr agrees

                                                https://twitter.com/BillPascrell/status/1151194365022363651

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                                                  Once again.


                                                  You can judge people by the company they keep.

                                                  Donald Trump openly identifies himself as a racist. (Again)




                                                  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-hopkins-tweet

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