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    I was talking about the framing here, rather than Sanders. This was a definingly awful bill that meant nobody should vote for Hillary Clinton one minute, but when it's pointed out Sanders voted for it, it seemed to become a bill full of good stuff that deserved support.
    Well I suppose that's one version of events

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      https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1054778971290849280

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        This thread is worth reading

        https://twitter.com/kdrum/status/1054585310858956801?s=21

        The amount of Trump lies. The state of Fox News. How to stop a monster?

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          Yglesias had a decent summary of the system that fosters that today.

          The hack gap has two core pillars. One is the constellation of conservative media outlets — led by Fox News and other Rupert Murdoch properties like the Wall Street Journal editorial page, but also including Sinclair Broadcasting in local television, much of AM talk radio, and new media offerings such as Breitbart and the Daily Caller — that simply abjure anything resembling journalism in favor of propaganda.

          The other is that the self-consciousness journalists at legacy outlets have about accusations of liberal bias leads them to bend over backward to allow the leading conservative gripes of the day to dominate the news agenda. Television producers who would never dream of assigning segments where talking heads debate whether it’s bad that the richest country on earth also has millions of children growing up in dire poverty think nothing of chasing random conservative shiny objects, from “Fast & Furious” (remember that one?) to Benghazi to the migrant caravan.

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            I'll, er, put this here rather than the Khashoggi thread, as it's about the Donald, rather than Jamal Khashoggi.

            "They had a very bad original concept, it was carried out poorly and the cover-up was the worst in the history of cover-ups."

            "Whoever thought of that idea, I think is in big trouble. And they should be in big trouble."

            "Bad original concept" - cometh the hour, cometh the statesman


            - here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45960865

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              It wasn't even original. Tarantino had this shit down in the 1990s.

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                Does this mean the bonesaw chap will be flogging us insurance in a couple of decades' time?

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                  https://twitter.com/mylesmill/status/1055080496055627777?s=21

                  Follows on from an explosive device having being delivered to George Soros’ home (not that far away) over the weekend.

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                    If he loses narrowly in 2020 he could conceivably incite a civil war.

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                      Indeed Anton, unlike the blah-blah about Brexiters rioting here if they don't get their prize, I can see serious disturbances in the US when Trump is ousted.

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                        My TV recently has been full of a generic Republican scaremongering ad, telling us that Democrats will bring (along with "Socialism" and "100% government run healthcare" - as if) violence and chaos and destruction and incivility (with, hilariously, pictures of Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi).

                        I wonder how they'll sustain the idea that it's the left that's bringing violence to America when bombs are arriving at Soros, Clinton and Obama residences.

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                          They'll say Soros sent it to himself if that's what it takes

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                            False flags narrative probably already in full swing in the usual places.

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                              Another device was sent to Obama, and the Time Warner Center (about a mile away, and home to CNN) has now been evacuated after reports of another device being found.

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                                Expect Trump to say there's good and bad on both sides. Or deliberately take ages to release a condemnation, which is watered down and equivocal.

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                                  Apparently the package sent to CNN was addressed to former CIA director John Brennan, who appears on MSNBC, not CNN.

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                                    Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
                                    Expect Trump to say there's good and bad on both sides.
                                    Renowned piece of shit Chuck Schumer has already compared it to vandalism:

                                    https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/1054782798459006977

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                                      Chuck Schumer has an interest in presenting acts of wanton violence and attempted murder as being parts of "a conflict" with "two sides".

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                                        I was expecting that from the media "Well, there are bombs at the Obama's, and someone threw Mitch's doggy bag on the ground - there's bad behaviour across the spectrum"; but I wasn't expecting that kind of triangulating both-sidesism from Schumer yet.

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                                          Originally posted by anton pulisov View Post
                                          It wasn't even original. Tarantino had this shit down in the 1990s.
                                          ?

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                                            Jesus. I was assumed he was getting the response to the whataboutery in early (albeit crassly and stupidly) and that there'd be more. There isn't.

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                                              In local news, I made the mistake of 'buying'* the review-journal...

                                              Dear god.

                                              The taint is horrendous. The cunts are out in force.

                                              *found it on the bus

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                                                Ach well, ice hockey and Circus, Circus will do the trick.

                                                And guns. Lots and lots of guns.

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                                                  Democrats are so fuckin shit. John Mcternan would be a dangerous radical in the DNC.

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                                                    A package intended for former AG Eric Holder was intercepted.

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