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    Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
    Is it purely a coincidence that the rally was held in the city where Trayvon Martin was murdered?
    For Trump, I suspect so, he probably can't remember who Trayvon Martin is unless it was on Fox that morning. For those choosing the venue, I suspect not.

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      Still in better shape than the country

      https://twitter.com/amysrosenberg/status/1316558979825307650

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        Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
        This is one of those "World's largest metaphor hits iceberg" stories, isn't it?

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          Wow, even by his standards

          https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1316804932494913539

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            Unlikely to move the needle electorally, but will have made the day of the lawyers pursuing the wrongful death and civil rights litigation.

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              Originally posted by Nocturnal Submission View Post
              I've been watching a documentary about the man, Trump: An American Dream, which is running on Channel 4. It's mainly about his business and private life so far and is hugely entertaining.

              I didn't realise just how large a celebrity figure he was even back in the '80s and '90s: frequent TV appearances, the breakdown of his marriage to Ivana on the front page of the newspapers and so on. There are some terrific vignettes though.

              Last night we had an episode around the time of the Ivana-Marla transition where he called a newspaper reporter claiming to be Trump's fictitious new PR man, "John Miller," which the reporter then recorded for posterity. If you haven't heard it, seek it out. It's hilarious. Then there's Trump talking quite insightfully about his favourite film. Can you guess? Citizen Kane.

              At the end of the programme we saw an interview with Trump' mum, who's autumn years-hairstyle Trump seems now to be mimicking. Odd accent too, more Irish than Scottish, but maybe that's an Isle of Lewis thing. Anyway, she was talking about an event from the Trump nursery. Donald and his younger brother, Robert, both had building blocks. Donald asked Robert for some of his and when Robert gave them to him, Donald glued them to his own so Robert couldn't have them back. Moral of the story - he's always been crafty, amoral, self-centred and quite ruthless.

              Recommended.

              The final episode, which covered the period from the late-90s to his election as President, made the point that it was the election of Jesse Ventura, an old friend from the days when Trump properties hosted WWF events, as Governor of Minnesota in 1998 that turbo-charged Trump's Presidential ambitions and provided the inspiration for the strategy which he would employ to achieve his aim.

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                Jesse Ventura actually believes in social justice though.

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                  Trump first explored running for president in 1988

                  https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...re-1987-213595

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                    It would have been sufficient for Ventura to flatter Trump for the latter to pay him attention. The viability for a dumbfuck like Trump to run for President increased gradually over 30 years (and was already apparent with Reagan) and someone with his level of narcissism must have considered it with each approaching cycle, especially when the scam opportunities increased with social media. What he couldn't have foreseen was how the GOP would cave and how bad HRC's campaign would be.

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                      I’ve mentioned it before, but the Dollop makes it extremely clear in their two-part Reagan ep (with Patton Oswalt) that Ronnie was Trump before Trump. All the component parts are there, even being a shithead to his kids.

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                        Originally posted by Flynnie View Post
                        I’ve mentioned it before, but the Dollop makes it extremely clear in their two-part Reagan ep (with Patton Oswalt) that Ronnie was Trump before Trump. All the component parts are there, even being a shithead to his kids.
                        Except his personality was quite different, and for many people that makes more of an impact. Reagan was the old geezer in a rocking chair sitting on his front deck saying "howdy" to passers-by. Trump could never be that avuncular, he's just raging, flaming, spluttering id. I suspect most voters didn't find Reagan scary (though they should have.) Trump OTOH looks and sounds terrifying (though he's really chickenshit.)

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                          Reagan clearly had a set of values, even if they were repugnant and even if his private life was a sham. He didn't become President in order to scam as much money as possible to keep afloat his failed business empire. Reagan's racism was fairly much a product of its times whereas Trump's is sociopathic and personal. Reagan would not have a personal vendetta against his predecessor simply because he was black.

                          OTOH some of the people in the background (e.g. Pat Buchanan*) were proto-Trumpers.

                          *Paleoconservatism generally.

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                            One of the key errors made by the GOP establishment in making their devil's bargain with Trump was thinking that they could use him like Reagan.

                            It worked with respect to tax cuts (because they serve Trump , and his cronies) and judges (because he doesn't care and was handed an entire infrastructure to handle them), but has been a disaster for their longer term interests.

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                              I can't quite buy this Trump-Reagan comparison, appalling as both are/were. They're temperamentally so different, for a start, their psychologies so diverse, the characters they projected so different. Reagan was assuring Uncle, Trump crazy Uncle.

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                                Reagan was also a globalist in foreign policy not an isolationist. Trump is like the Cold War never happened.

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                                  Yeah, and the consequence of Trump's isolation seems to have been a dialling down of involvement in "liberal intervention" abroad. When did a President last wage as little war as Trump?

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                                    Yeah, Both filthy, nasty bastards, both horrific right-wing shits, but in some different ways.

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                                      Trump's not interested in wars because there's no immediate profit or adulation in it for him. Plenty of money can be made from foreign interference, but it generally requires patience and a conviction in a set of values in order to perpetrate the long con. Trump is a short term grifter, looking for immediate effect and moving on. It's why his business ventures fail, he grabs what he can and lets others pick up the pieces. It's why he's up to his eyeballs in debt, he fills his pockets today and never thinks about what will happen down the line because he'll scam some other sucker to deal with it.

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                                        Originally posted by wingco View Post
                                        Yeah, and the consequence of Trump's isolation seems to have been a dialling down of involvement in "liberal intervention" abroad. When did a President last wage as little war as Trump?
                                        Jimmy Carter.

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                                          [QUOTE]I can't quite buy this Trump-Reagan comparison, appalling as both are/were.[/QUOTE

                                          This, x 100. Sure, Reagan was an unpleasant individual and had horrible right wing policies which caused pain to huge numbers of the less fortunate in US society. I wouldn't defend him for a minute. But surely Trump is thoroughly unprecedented in the way he is trashing the norms of US democracy and causing massive long term damage to the fabric of US democracy, both in terrms of institutional infrastructure and in terms of culture. He is normalising fascism, and normalising a culture of utterly in-your-face blatant lying in a way which makes truth politically irrelevant.

                                          To a slightly lesser extent, our own wannabe Trump in the UK is unprecedented - very similar to Trump in his normalising of shameless lying and contempt for (indeed direct assault on) the institutions of democracy and the rule of law and his sowing (though Priti Patel and others) the seeds of fascism, as well as his facilitation of a raid of colossal scale on the public purse by profiteering cronies and their corruptly procured outsourcing contracts. Again, that is almost unprecedented. For all the horribleness of Thatcher and her ilk, there was not the same sense that we were being run by a mob of shameless gangsters.

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                                            https://twitter.com/SafetyPinDaily/status/1318195209205841923

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                                              Hahaha! That's great. That's up there with "I'll have to leave the country if I lose".

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                                                2016: Look at their stupid MAGA hats, can it get any dumber?
                                                2020: MAGA face masks.

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                                                  Trump is predictably trying to dodge Thursday's debate on the pretext that there is not enough foreign policy in it.

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                                                    He's increasingly unhinged, even by his standards.

                                                    This was from a call that reporters were invited to join

                                                    https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/status/1318216044843048960

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