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    Pelosi has called the tweet 'xenophobic', which is problematic. The targets are not foreigners, although the term xenophobia can be used for treating US-born people as foreigners, which is probably what she means. But it is mainly problematic because she has used it to dodge the proper word - racism. Trump's tweet can only be read as you're only American if you're white.

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      Do you really think itís good that Fox is repeating Pelosiís slurs?

      [URL]https://twitter.com/jewishworker/status/1150489582363914240?s=21[/URL]

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        Trump correctly realizes that race baiting is his best strategy. His supporters think that anything short of "kill the coloreds" isn't racist.

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          I suspect some of them think that's acceptable as well.

          What a disgusting object he is. His mere existence tarnishes the collective soul of humanity.

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            To be more exact, his supporters think that anything short of "kill the coloreds" can't be called out as racist, and that people who do so are playing the race card.

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              It also shows further that Birtherism was a fake concern because we now know that Trump thinks being born here is immaterial to whether you belong here or should be allowed to serve in any of the three strands of power: executive (Obama), judiciary ("Mexican" judge), legislature.
              Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 16-07-2019, 13:41.

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                Despite having come to expect the worst from the Republicans, even I was a little taken aback by the comment from Pence's chief of staff yesterday that Trump couldn't possibly have made a racist tweet because Trump wasn't racist and we know Trump's not racist because he has one Chinese American who happens to be married to the Senate Majority leader, running one department in his administration.

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                  Yeah if you start with the premise that he doesn't have hate in his heart, the hate-filled tweets read differently.

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                    Shit show in the House yesterday

                    A party line vote (excepting four Republicans and Amash) to condemn Trump's racist tweets as racist and a good illustration of why it's a bad or at best pointless political gambit.

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                      I dunno.

                      Given the current political math in Congress, it seems quite a reasonable thing for the House to do.

                      A key element in the Democrats winning 40 seats in the midterms was their success in peeling off Trump voters (primarily suburban women) who may have benefited from the tax cuts but are troubled by the racism, misogyny and cruelty.

                      Of course this is red meat for his base, but he can't win with just his base.

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                        Well, the next election hangs on five or six states, doesn't it? Let's hope the Dems start making inroads in those,

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                          Well maybe, but I don't trust anyone who voted for the pussy grabber in the first place to suddenly be troubled by his misogyny.

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                            Trump is doing the Rovian thing of gluing Pelosi to AOC and making the latter the face of the party. The racist and misogynist subtext gets called out and cements his support among the anti-PC world, and socialism takes care of the rest. Suburban women will likely find themselves more troubled by the socialism.

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                              I always disagree with you on this kind of thing, but think that it is because we inhabit different geographic worlds.

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                                I would like to think making AOC the face of the party would backfire on him, racism or not. It's not like the party has any better faces to put forward.

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                                  Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
                                  I always disagree with you on this kind of thing, but think that it is because we inhabit different geographic worlds.
                                  not sure what you mean by that

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                                    Originally posted by Ginger Yellow View Post
                                    I would like to think making AOC the face of the party would backfire on him, racism or not. It's not like the party has any better faces to put forward.
                                    True but I don't think that's a majority view.

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                                      Meh fuck it, get it out in the open, get them to say it in public, and get out your own vote, and keep hammering home to latinos, and the occasional lost black soul who vote republican that the republicans want them to go home.

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                                        He's focusing on getting his vote out rather than the middle ground because that worked in 2016. But AOC would help get the Dems many of the Greens voters from that year as well as some women and male persons of color who are experiencing buyers' remorse.

                                        My worry is that the incumbent in recent elections has tended to get votes just for being the incumbent no matter whom the fuck he is.

                                        Also, how are relations between AOC and the Dem nominee going to play out?
                                        Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 17-07-2019, 13:42.

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                                          It's hard not to be cynical but I still lean toward him losing next year, he just seems too unpopular. But I think that a Democrat winning, as Berba suggests, will come down to base turnout rather than to persuading addle-brained swing voters who are afraid of socialism and illegals that Trump is really a bad guy. Anyway, his strategy of divide and conquer is clear and has generated a lot of news stories about Democratic infighting, and AOC for all her talent and appeal does not strike me as a unifying politician. There's some real center-left annoyance at her right now.



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                                            Who IS a unifying politician? And bollocks to "unifying" if it means chucking immigrants and people of colour under the bus to achieve it.

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                                              Originally posted by E10 Rifle View Post
                                              Who IS a unifying politician? And bollocks to "unifying" if it means chucking immigrants and people of colour under the bus to achieve it.
                                              I think we're too polarized for a unifying politician in the bipartisan sense, but the Democrats will need to be unified among themselves, presumably. They weren't in 2016 and that didn't work out well.

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                                                Are yer Bidens, Harrises, Buttigiegs or Pelosis any more unifying? With the added hindrance that their principles seem less solid and more dispensable.

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                                                  Originally posted by E10 Rifle View Post
                                                  Are yer Bidens, Harrises, Buttigiegs or Pelosis any more unifying? With the added hindrance that their principles seem less solid and more dispensable.
                                                  I guess that's a question for pollsters. I was just alluding to the stories I've read on the spat between Pelosi and AOC. If the party leader is against or annoyed with you, you're probably not unifying. The "face of the party" is eventually going to be the nominee, but Trump's goal is to make that person beholden to "the Squad."

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                                                    You take cable news theatre much too seriously

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