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    Deism

    In principle, the tenets are reasonably attractive - the idea of a non-interventionist creator by no means conflicts with either evolution or the Big Bang, and the reduction of Christianity to basic, rational principles retains the original morality without the consequent ritualistic and/or hierarchical accretions. Of course, the loss of prayer would appear to undermine the very basis of organised religion, but reversion to mere life guidelines retains the core faith essence. And the list of followers was illustrious - Voltaire, Locke, Paine, Jefferson and Franklin among others.

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    Indeed.

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      #3
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      Alternatively, fuck off.

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        #4
        Deism

        I'm in a sarky bastard self destructive mood today, apologies.

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          I kind of agree with the concept myself, although I have no idea what the purpose of this thread is. I'm also unsure that backing your argument up with five names, two of which I've not heard of, is wise (unless we're talking Terry Paine, the Southampton legend, and Gary Locke, who I had a Top Trump card of once).

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            #6
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            This post has helped me work out who Ciarraioch is though, so that's something.

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              Belief that there might be something we don't understand - an intelligence, if you will - underpinning creation, life, etc, and that the "rules" so far as we understand them now are merely scratches on the surface of an ultimate understanding; all perfectly rational. I don't think we've got close to understanding what drives evolutionary change, for example.

              Belief that there might be an actual being - a sentient God, rather than just a set of rules we don't quite get yet - behind it all? Well, I'm less than convinced, but why not, if it floats your boat.

              Belief that you - you - can actually talk to such an entity, understand or even interpret its intentions, or that it listens to you? Loony bin time.

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                #8
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                How about just doing good, without an instruction manual allegedly written by some big invisible bloke or his followers?

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                  #9
                  Deism

                  I'm reading 'God is Watching You' which posits a belief in supernatural punishment offers an evolutionary advantage to cultures. It promotes co-operation.

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                    #10
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                    pebblethefish wrote: I kind of agree with the concept myself, although I have no idea what the purpose of this thread is. I'm also unsure that backing your argument up with five names, two of which I've not heard of, is wise (unless we're talking Terry Paine, the Southampton legend, and Gary Locke, who I had a Top Trump card of once).
                    Please read this in a curious rather than a sneering way - do you really not know who Paine and Locke are?

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                      #11
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                      Of course. Paine's the lass from Final Fantasy.

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                        #12
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                        I'm sure we all agree that Franklin's mint.

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                          Deism

                          Who, or what, created the non-interventionist creator?

                          Maybe it's non-interventionist creators all the way down.

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                            #14
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                            The other thread about Stephen King adaptations puts me in mind of the Dome, which became a rather overblown TV adaptation of a short but interesting novel, in which inexplicable natural events that befall an entire New England town and lead to all sorts of human-based tragedy and horror, are all revealed in the end to have been caused by the alien equivalent of two children playing with an ant colony in their back garden. The alien children, of course, having no more understanding of humans, or appreciation of our intelligence, society or needs, than we do of ants; just that it's fun to watch us run around and burn.

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                              Deism

                              wiblflibl wrote: Who, or what, created the non-interventionist creator?

                              Maybe it's non-interventionist creators all the way down.
                              Cyclical creation or pandeism solves that problem. God creates itself.

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                                #16
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                                I'm incredibly comfortable with accepting the existence of such a deity. It means I can file away all questions that science either can't answer or doesn't answer convincingly enough, while still enjoying the fruits of its work.

                                I'm also incredibly comfortable with people talking to - and believing they get a response from - their deities. As long as they don't do anything negative with that.

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                                  #17
                                  Deism

                                  Patrick Thistle wrote: Cyclical creation or pandeism solves that problem. God creates itself.
                                  Cycling pandas all the way down?

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                                    #18
                                    Deism

                                    wiblflibl wrote:
                                    Cycling pandas all the way down?
                                    If only it was as black and white as that!

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