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    The obligatory Twelfth thread

    What have we had so far?

    Burning of Sinn Féin posters at a "children's fun day"

    Ulster Unionist MP posts picture of a bonfire with a tricolour atop

    A bomb hoax

    And possibly more evidence to file under the theory about loyalism and IQ: bonfire destroys two houses

    #2
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    Why do they dress like Mr Benn? Did William of Orange wear a bowler hat?

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      #3
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      Rogin the Armchair fan wrote: Why do they dress like Mr Benn? Did William of Orange wear a bowler hat?
      BECAUSE TRADITION!!!

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        Rogin the Armchair fan wrote: Why do they dress like Mr Benn?
        Dress like you, surely, Rogin?

        Don't tell me that the Civil Service dress code has changed since great-grandfather's day.

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          #5
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          From @UlsterFryNI


          And something which suggests that the marchers' dress code is not such a bad idea after all...

          From @AilbheOM

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            Mr Kinahan said he accepted it had been an error in judgement, but said the flag was removed from the bonfire before it was lit.
            Haa hahaha, how considerate. They were probably just peacefully flying the tricolour when they noticed that a massive bonfire had miraculously appeared underneath it somehow.

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              #7
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              They burned Ivory Coast flags last year.

              Cretins.

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                Fussbudget wrote:
                Mr Kinahan said he accepted it had been an error in judgement, but said the flag was removed from the bonfire before it was lit.
                Haa hahaha, how considerate. They were probably just peacefully flying the tricolour when they noticed that a massive bonfire had miraculously appeared underneath it somehow.
                Even while queuing up for our passports - clowns!

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                  I would somehow doubt the mouthbreathers associated with building and adorning these fires would be interested in owning an Irish passport. They'd rather die. The Irish passport rush (anecdotally 1200 applications in a fortnight) from one East Belfast post office emanates from the sentient section of those with a Protestant/ Unionist background.
                  Photos of bonfires suggested they were burning old Remain referendum posters as well as EU flegs.

                  They'll soon be Even Poorer,But Loyal.

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                    #10
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                    Lovely driving through Southport yesterday and seeing bouncers outside Lloyd's at 9 in the morning.

                    In unfortunate timing yesterday was also the day that the Britain in Bloom judges were scheduled to visit Southport. There was a request from the local tourism people that they come about 7 or 8 in the morning, rather than the normal judging time closer to midday.

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                      These bonfires are huge, dangerous, hateful, and completely illegal. Why don't the police demolish them in the lead up to the twelfth? What are the police for?

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                        Strictly, the Fire Service are probably best placed to demolish them, guarded by the Army.

                        It needs political will. Arlene and the other Unionist party leaders should do a joint statement on live TV making clear that violent resistance to the clean-up will be tear gassed.

                        The alternative is risking a return to the high-level violence of the past.

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                          I don't really know where to start with Berba's latest over-simplification. The law is the law, right? Except sometimes it's not and it's best for all concerned -yes, really- that it's not strictly enforced. It's fine for the likes of him to call for immediate strong action but the rest of us will have to live with the consequences, he won't, and there will be consequences. The authorities have adopted a longer term strategy. You don't hear much about Drumcree these days and even the Twaddell peaceniks are eventually getting the message that a deal will have to be done sooner or later and they're prepared to let it seep slowly into Orange skulls rather than go for the convulsions Berba suggests. No one knows how that will end but it certainly won't be pretty.
                          Anyway, here's Newton Emerson's thoughtful recent piece.

                          http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/ne...lism-1.2720622

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                            Rogin the Armchair fan wrote: Why do they dress like Mr Benn? Did William of Orange wear a bowler hat?
                            My alma mater is named after William of Orange and his Old Lady. Fortunately, about 100 years ago, somebody had the sense to make our colors dark green, gold, and silver. Orange and black were one of the other top options. That would be awkward now.

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                              To be fair to Berba, I was more (if untypically) gung-ho there.

                              Thing is, even as a mere visitor who doesn't have to live daily with the consequences, these thugs frighten me. There's one of their towers at the end of my Ma's street, I had to skirt around it while visiting the other day. If only to avoid the cocktail of carcinogens and some half-feral urchin extorting money to bring in yet more tyres and stolen relics.

                              Emerson makes thoughtful points, but I'd disagree with his detail. The thugs see themselves as Unionists even if they're unimaginable on McIlroy's golf course, or anywhere near a Church. Arlene Foster can't have it both ways: boast that you represent all Unionism from Big House to Sink Estate, that means a responsibility to deal with its excesses.

                              There are people like them in Dudley, Dublin, every other town in Britain and Ireland, and the Lyon banlieue I visited on holiday last month. The difference is that the other places aren't allowing nihilism to burn down their own estates...

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                                The Awesome Berbaslug!!! wrote: These bonfires are huge, dangerous, hateful, and completely illegal. Why don't the police demolish them in the lead up to the twelfth? What are the police for?
                                You've obviously never been to Cork in mid-June.

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                                  #17
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                                  Yeah, I'm not with Newt on a few of his points either, but I can see parallels with the working-class Brexit voters across the water, although
                                  There are people like them in Dudley, Dublin, every other town in Britain and Ireland, and the Lyon banlieue I visited on holiday last month. The difference is that the other places aren't allowing nihilism to burn down their own estates...
                                  as you know, there are many more other factors which make this place unique.
                                  These (Loyalists) people aren't just dissatisfied with social deprivation and alienation, they've got a beef with 40-odd percent of their fellow citizens.

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                                    Paris Zébulon wrote: Lovely driving through Southport yesterday and seeing bouncers outside Lloyd's at 9 in the morning.

                                    In unfortunate timing yesterday was also the day that the Britain in Bloom judges were scheduled to visit Southport. There was a request from the local tourism people that they come about 7 or 8 in the morning, rather than the normal judging time closer to midday.
                                    Bloody hell, I thought Merseyside had stopped all that pish and left Glasgow the last "mainland" holdout of shitbaggery triumphalism. Christ they're dying in Scotland (even if their influence is still strong in the corrupt and morally bankrupt Slab council). An excuse for a few pissed up Scallies to give it large, or is it still a big thing?

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                                      #19
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                                      The English, and their quaint folksy customs

                                      (I was on a Green Party training course next door, before you ask)

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                                        Duncan Gardner wrote: Strictly, the Fire Service are probably best placed to demolish them, guarded by the Army.

                                        It needs political will. Arlene and the other Unionist party leaders should do a joint statement on live TV making clear that violent resistance to the clean-up will be tear gassed.

                                        The alternative is risking a return to the high-level violence of the past.
                                        Perhaps, but it is a festering boil that needs lancing, otherwise loyalists will still be burning down their houses in 200 years time, while the rest of the statelet looks on in poverty stricken despair.

                                        The law isn't just for catholics, and neither are water cannon or tear gas. Loyalists need to find some other form of cultural expression other than incredibly dangerous, degenerate carnivals of hate.

                                        You're not going to convince these people to stop. But that's what the police are for. They burned down two of their own houses. Saying you love the Queen is no legal defence against ignoring her health and safety laws, or the ones about riotous assembly, and I'm pretty sure there are laws against burning a rainbow flag to say the least of it.

                                        The time has for the Queen, and her loyal men to show them that certain expressions of love and loyalty are unacceptable. It's no longer 1670, the Crown no longer needs an army of violent paranoid sectarian morons to prevent the O'Neills from taking back ulster.

                                        These cunts see everything as a zero sum game, where every move towards creating a vaguely normal modern society is seen as a defeat for them. Loyalists have to realise that it's over for them and they have lost on their own terms.

                                        If the British government doesn't crush them now, how are they ever going to be able to withdraw and rid themselves of this absurd and expensive exercise in sectarian gerrymandering?

                                        The UK is disintegrating, and its economy is bound for the shitter, creating the illusion of a functioning economy in northern Ireland is an expensive and ultimately pointless process. Northern Ireland as an entity is doomed in large part because of shit like this bonfire.

                                        No-one is going to invest in a city where people burn piles of tires in order to incinerate statues of the Virgin Mary and the flag of the ivory Coast. No-one is going to invest in a city which has fleg protests. Not when you could build your factory in Scotland or the Republic.

                                        Loyalism (and to an extent unionism) is a nonsense that can only be indulged in as long as the UK government is prepared to keep paying the tab. Things are going to get very messy either way over the next while as the UK government becomes less and less able to pay that bill.

                                        Ignoring stuff like this bonfire might make sense in the short term, but its something that has to be dealt with eventually. It's not going to go away by any other means.

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                                          #21
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                                          Aye, and you're a bald cunt who talks shit. Now fuck off before Calvert comes round to ram that fibre-enriched broomstick up your jacksie, eh?

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                                            Ciarraíoch wrote:
                                            Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!
                                            These bonfires are huge, dangerous, hateful, and completely illegal. Why don't the police demolish them in the lead up to the twelfth? What are the police for?
                                            You've obviously never been to Cork in mid-June.
                                            St John's eve bonfires are a very different type of thing altogether. They're a pagan fertility practice to celebrate the summer solstice, and an opportunity to have a bit of a party. It's just something people do for their own amusement (and to clean out the garage)

                                            It's not about anyone else, or particularly exclusionary, given that it's also happening right across western Europe. No-one is Celebrating victory in a battle for sectarian supremacy, and no one is burning anyone's flag.

                                            And if some moron wants to build it too close to houses then the fire brigade come and stop it.

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                                              #23
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                                              But dg, why is it shit? Everything about these bonfires is hateful, and above all illegal. That last part can't be stressed enough. This is only allowed to happen because loyalists are above the law.

                                              The UK government has a particularly nasty and brutal security and surveillance apparatus, it has a raft of monstrous anti terrorism laws reminiscent of the star chamber, with secret trials and secret evidence.

                                              What are they waiting for?

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                                                #24
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                                                My reply had nothing to do with the bonfires. If you can't grasp that "Unionism is a nonsense" doesn't help much here (apart from being a crass prejudice against people purely for having a different nationality), any rational discussion with you is basically impossible.

                                                I didn't often agree with your mad professor mate, but he at least had the self-awareness to bow out of here for a while when his ranting got out of hand. You'd do well to follow his example.

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                                                  #25
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                                                  The law isn't just for catholics, and neither are water cannon or tear gas.
                                                  You see, this is the kind of nonsense you routinely come out with. You must've missed the last twenty years of Loyalist battles with the police. I'm surprised you even bother as someone who claims the the entire community aren't 'fit to be let out'. Seriously, leave it at that. It's as good as your understanding of this will ever get.
                                                  I'm as tired talking about it as you are not listening.

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