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[dalliance]

http://www.scottishmediamonitor.com/features2.cfm?ID=32

No wonder the SNP is usurping Labour in Scotland, adopting its traditional stance of cosying up to the Catholic church and taking it a step further by getting into bed and doing some heavy petting (not outside of marriage) with that odious cock Brian Souter.

Horrible nationalist chancers.

[AMMS]

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Do you read Christopher Brookmyre? The Unsinkable Rubber Ducks is almost a satire of this actual story.
Anyway you are clearly a bigot for bringing this up.

[Femme Folle]

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AMMS wrote:

Anyway you are clearly a bigot for bringing this up.

Why does it make him a bigot?

[AMMS]

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Sorry, I'm being sarcastic, I thought he'd get it. It's kind of a Glasgow thing.

[Femme Folle]

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Ooh, sorry. I'll keep my nose out of it next time.

[Kowalski]

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dalliance wrote:

http://www.scottishmediamonitor.com/features2.cfm?ID=32

No wonder the SNP is usurping Labour in Scotland, adopting its traditional stance of cosying up to the Catholic church and taking it a step further by getting into bed and doing some heavy petting (not outside of marriage) with that odious cock Brian Souter.

Horrible nationalist chancers.

It's the same in Wales, as we learnt at university wherever there is space on the left or right a party will move into it.

Plaid Cymru were founded by Saunders Lewis in the 1920s. He was broadly anti-Semitic, a fascist empathiser and a "Storng Monarchist."
They didn't win a seat until the 1960s, they didn't contest every seat in Wales until 1970. They began to change their outlook in the 1980s, now they want to;

"ensure economic prosperity, social justice and the health of the natural environment, based on decentralist socialism"

[E10 Rifle]

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Labour had a decent-ish candidate in Glasgow East this time as well.

But the moment a trade union-bashing homoophobe like Souter got on board the SNP bandwagon should have been the moment that thoughtful progressive people got off. But it wasn't, of course. Cretins.

[DCI Harry Batt]

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And go where?

[oscar mike]

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Greens? E10's hit the nail on the head, shit like this makes me want to vomit.

[E10 Rifle]

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I dunno, TT. The Scottish left, like the English one, is a shambles.

[Jimmy Bignutz]

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I would have thought thoughtful, progressive people should never have been 'on' as far as the SNP are concerned.

[DCI Harry Batt]

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In Glasgow East? The Greens seem to be even less of a serious choice than either of Scotland's socialist parties.

[Tubby Isaacs]

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What E10 said. It's funny that some people seem to believe SNP Scotland could become Canada to England's USA.

Clearly only England's social and fiscal conservatism has held them back from being like Sweden.

[Guest]

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E10 Rifle wrote:

Labour had a decent-ish candidate in Glasgow East this time as well.

But the moment a trade union-bashing homoophobe like Souter got on board the SNP bandwagon should have been the moment that thoughtful progressive people got off. But it wasn't, of course. Cretins.

So independence is a bad idea because one dickhead is involved?

Ludicrous. How desperate are the unionist fanatics on this site?

[My Name Is Ian]

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There's nothing desperate about saying that the SNP are cretins for jumping into bed with Souter. It's clearly more than "one dickhead" but, you know, if Scottish independence is more important...

[Guest]

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twohundredpercent wrote:

if Scottish independence is more important...

Of course it is. FAR more important. Scottish independence isn't about the SNP - that's just a vehicle towards the end.

How many of the Men of Principle on here ditched the Labour Party because of Robert Maxwell who has a list of crimes far outweighing those of Soutar? Or, for that matter, how many jumped ship when they discovered Rupert Murdoch was a New Labour fan?

[My Name Is Ian]

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To be honest, I've spent five minutes trying to think of a way that I can reply to that but I can't, so I won't. I'll leave it to others.

[Jimmy Bignutz]

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[DCI Harry Batt]

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I don't oppose independence - how could you be against breaking up a state engaged in imperialist adventure? - but many of its supporters seem to see it as a solution, rather than a tactic.

I'm not sure it's that clear who wins in a cunt-off between Souter and Maxwell, but no-one who calls him- or herself progressive would want to be close to either of them, would s/he?

[E10 Rifle]

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I used to support independence, but I'm not convinced anymore, and I certainly don't see it as a defining and important political aim. I doubt it will help the cause of democratic left and progressive politics in England, Scotland and Wales as a whole - and may well hinder it.

[DCI Harry Batt]

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Why?

[E10 Rifle]

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Why would the Balkanisation of Britain, in and of itself, and in the current climate, be a progressive development? Would a similar break-up of other imperialist states - such as the US, France or Spain - have a similar positive effect?

[Anton Gramscescu]

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As a Canadian who's lived his entire adult life with the country on the verge of a various existential crises, watching the UK *fail* to go through any kind of serious soul-searching since the SNP came to power has been quite shocking.

Frankly, I think you're all fucked come referendum time because no one in either the SNP or the Union government has done the least bit of hard thinking about what would happen the morning after a "yes" vote.

It will be very, very nasty and there's a high probability of violence. Anyone who thinks this is going to end in some kind of velvet divorce is dreaming.

[Deus Ex Machina]

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It will be very, very nasty and there's a high probability of violence. Anyone who thinks this is going to end in some kind of velvet divorce is dreaming.

I think you underestimate the British apathy on all sides.

[Anton Gramscescu]

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Mmm. Well, when scottish nationalists, drunk on victory, watch the Union armed forces rolling, sailing and flying for home, having smashed the existing barracks, harbours and air strips to deny them to a new Scottish government, thus leaving the new government essentially without any armed forces, I suspect the reaction won't be apathy.