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    The budget hole ain't all that. And as far as citizens rights go, it will hurt the Uk far more to suddenly have hundreds of thousands of in the main NHS dependent retirees and pensioners repatriated from Greece or Spain or Blairy Tuscany/sunny France than it will damage the 26* having folk almost all healthy and of working age deported back to them.

    *an agreement has already been reached between UK and Ireland to continue the Common Travel Agreement.

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      Well, I doubt if we're that close to deportations! But any uncertainty over their citizens status when abroad is an issue for a country and not one to be dismissed lightly.

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        Originally posted by Nocturnal Submission View Post
        But any uncertainty over their citizens status when abroad is an issue for a country and not one to be dismissed lightly.
        Oh I don't know, the UK government doesn't seem all that worried about theirs.

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          Maybe they think that the citizens rights part of the WA could be quickly agreed with the EU after a No Deal exit. Maybe that's what the rest of the EU assume too and lessens their fears a bit.

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            Or they just don't care. May certainly didn't. Look at the shit the Home Office have been pulling since 2016.

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              Well, I guess we'll find out in the next few months.

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                Yay!

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                  Heh. Don't worry about it, geezer, you just look forward to your trip to Krakow. I should have some recommendations for you shortly.

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                    Johnson and the media

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                      Originally posted by Nocturnal Submission View Post
                      Well, I doubt if we're that close to deportations! But any uncertainty over their citizens status when abroad is an issue for a country and not one to be dismissed lightly.
                      They're deporting people already.

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                        Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post

                        They're deporting people already.
                        Unless I'm wrong the people they are deporting are Commonwealth and not EU citizens.

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                          I cannot see the EU selling out Ireland on any deal, this seems to be another wet dream idea of some in the Tory party. The idea that parts of the deal can be negotiated or cherry picked to prevent the UK crashing out is also pie in the sky, Leadsom campaigned on this and the EU laughed in her face.

                          If the EU caves in on anything it's going to lead to a slow collapse of the project, imho, and presently the UK has helped to unify them publicly at least.

                          We are so fucked.

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                            Originally posted by Antepli Ejderha View Post

                            Unless I'm wrong the people they are deporting are Commonwealth and not EU citizens.
                            They started in 2016

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                              The Settled Status scheme here is in place and will carry on with some small changes. Most EU countries have put in place a similar scheme. I genuinely do not think this is an issue. Yet...if there is a great, big jingoistic uprising, things might change...

                              Given a choice between a default by the UK on their liabilities and compromising the project, i doubt very much the EU is going to risk it. They are even playing hardball with the Swiss to pass on the message (the matter would have been settled already if there wasn't Brexit...)

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                                I agree with those who've said that Johnson will pivot to remain. It's never been about ideology for him, only personal ambition. the issue is how he can do that whilst holding on to his far right vote.

                                As Orbán has shown being a fascist in the EU is quite possible.

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                                  You think that Johnson will move to a Remain position or that he'll move away from a hardline Leave position?

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                                    Not a chance...

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                                      Originally posted by Nocturnal Submission View Post
                                      You think that Johnson will move to a Remain position or that he'll move away from a hardline Leave position?
                                      Whatever he can get away with

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                                        Well, I can see the latter but not the former in a million years.

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                                          Hancock has pulled out early.

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                                            Originally posted by Nocturnal Submission View Post
                                            You think that Johnson will move to a Remain position or that he'll move away from a hardline Leave position?
                                            “Move to”. Johnson has always been a massive remainer and EUphile. And he’s probably vain enough to try it.

                                            Its not worth it, obviously.

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                                              I can see the centrists, still claiming Johnson as a liberal and desperate to keep Corbyn out of government, backing him and ignoring everything that’s gone before.

                                              if he can win them back and hold on to the right with some dog whistle racism I think he has a chance

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                                                Originally posted by David Agnew View Post

                                                “Move to”. Johnson has always been a massive remainer and EUphile. And he’s probably vain enough to try it.

                                                Its not worth it, obviously.
                                                Even though he made up most of the lies regularly peddled by the Eurosceptic press (straight bananas, compulsory abolition of the imperial system, etc) when Brussels correspondent for the Telegraph?

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                                                  Every one knows Johnson is a liar. The question is whether anyone cares.

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                                                    Here we go-fuck business, seriously.

                                                    [URL]https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/1139566469132500992?s=21[/URL]

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