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    National (Socialist) Health Service

    www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34938832

    Sorry for the overly dramatic and, strictly speaking, inaccurate thread title, but still, wankers.

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    Mike Godwin has left the building…

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      The story is quite shocking and I'm glad it's receiving that attention.

      Like the Liverpool Pathway, which still seems to be in practice, if not officially. Now we have this:
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11779213/New-death-guidelines-worse-than-Liverpool-Care-Pathway.html

      Our rightful, instinctive loyalty to the ideals of the NHS shouldn't blind us to the fact that a lot that goes on that is wrong. And they have some right cunts working for them.

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        And this, today.

        http://www.ombudsman.org.uk/about-us/news-centre/press-releases/2015/devastated-families-left-without-answers-as-avoidable-death-and-harm-incidents-arent-being-investigated-properly-by-hospitals-across-england2

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          The problem is a lot of this starts off as well-meaning. Even the Liverpool Care Pathway. It was designed to be a system that got everything sorted out ahead of time, took the person's wishes into account and so on.

          But then it got adopted as policy and everyone had to do it, often without training and it became a tick box exercise and all went quite, quite wrong.

          Happens every time the focus shifts from the people needing care to the report to management on how many pathways have been completed and people are judged on their percentages. Especially when those percentages are used to assess funding levels i.e. you get paid more if 95% of people have been put on the pathway (or whatever).

          Healthcare is a results game.

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            My dad opted to go onto the Liverpool Care Pathway when other forms of treatment didn't work out for him. My mum, not one for making overt political statements, said she despised pieces in the right-wing press critical of the scheme. For my dad it was the right choice (he and my mum felt) and I know it was superbly managed by hospital staff.

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              Furtho wrote: My dad opted to go onto the Liverpool Care Pathway when other forms of treatment didn't work out for him. My mum, not one for making overt political statements, said she despised pieces in the right-wing press critical of the scheme. For my dad it was the right choice (he and my mum felt) and I know it was superbly managed by hospital staff.
              Not discussed for either of my parents.

              We were never made aware of just how ill our father was as he neared his end, and, with our mother, it was made fairly clear she was nearing the end, especially given the high doses of morphine she was being treated with.

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                You don't have to be rightwing to be critical of either the NHS or the scheme.

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                  Guy Potger wrote: Mike Godwin has left the building…
                  Well I did apologise for the title and admit it was over dramatic.

                  When I read the story and one of the reasons why a DNR order was issued, it's the first thing I thought of.

                  I feel more rational now, but I'm not changing the title.

                  Click bait if you like.

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                    Furtho wrote: My dad opted to go onto the Liverpool Care Pathway when other forms of treatment didn't work out for him. My mum, not one for making overt political statements, said she despised pieces in the right-wing press critical of the scheme. For my dad it was the right choice (he and my mum felt) and I know it was superbly managed by hospital staff.
                    Very good to hear this went well. I am hopeful that something similar can be done when it comes to my parents.

                    A friend of mine, an extremely high flying consultant, reckons the media reaction to the Liverpool Pathway was a huge outrage.

                    The Telegraph, with its clique of rich conservative Roman Catholic owners and journos, has been trying to get a British equivalent of the religious right going here. But some "liberals" like Nick Cohen played their part too, writing up Cure the NHS bollocks about Mid Staffs. The climate for decision making and care staff is poisonous. Any journalist worth their salt should have seen this for what it was- Tory swiftboating of Labour's best issue.

                    Doubtless there were problems, but then again there are problems with prolonging the life of people with very little life quality.

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                      MsD wrote: The story is quite shocking and I'm glad it's receiving that attention.

                      Like the Liverpool Pathway, which still seems to be in practice, if not officially. Now we have this:
                      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11779213/New-death-guidelines-worse-than-Liverpool-Care-Pathway.html

                      Our rightful, instinctive loyalty to the ideals of the NHS shouldn't blind us to the fact that a lot that goes on that is wrong. And they have some right cunts working for them.
                      Hang on, that article is about NICE's guidelines. I don't see how NHS workers are relevant to it at all.

                      It's worth pointing out where the DT's neurologist is coming from.

                      http://www.cmq.org.uk/CMQ/2012/Nov/LCP-Pullicino.html

                      From the Catholic Medical Quarterly.

                      If we accept to use the LCP we accept that euthanasia is part of the standard way of dying in the NHS.

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                        NickSTFU wrote:
                        Originally posted by Guy Potger
                        Mike Godwin has left the building…
                        Well I did apologise for the title and admit it was over dramatic.

                        When I read the story and one of the reasons why a DNR order was issued, it's the first thing I thought of.

                        I feel more rational now, but I'm not changing the title.

                        Click bait if you like.
                        Not at all.

                        I took it in the spirit it was intended.

                        (& that reply saved me from having to make a coherent response of my own.)

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