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      The Labour frontbencher Debbie Abrahams has been sacked from the shadow cabinet after an investigation into workplace bullying.
      https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ullying-claims

      I'm not sure she's going to go quietly, she made counter claims by the sound of it.

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        I guess this belongs here


        https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/994262746756771841

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          You’ve written Cohen/Deerin’s next column.

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            Appalling used liberally. Cos they are beyond ideology and varying their adjectives.

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              Another winner from Andrew Gilligan. He cost The Telegraph another fortune when he falsely accused a businessman of corruption in the purchase of Poplar Town Hall. Can you guess what religion the businessman was?

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                Self-inflicted blow coming in Lewisham East?

                https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-in-byelection

                Hanretty estimate of Remain vote in Lewisham East 64.6%. I'm not going to judge people I know nothing about by descriptions like "Corbyn loyalist" or whatever, but somebody not committed to the EEA could be a problem. Greens/Lib Dems got only 6.1% between them last time, but a single candidate could get a lot more this time.

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                  You're doing a lot of projecting there Tubbs: for one thing, "Corbyn loyalist" could mean a multitude of things when it comes to stances on specific EU matters. If I was running, I'd get described as "Corbyn loyalist" too. Like, whatevs. For another, by the time the next general election comes round, a lot of things that are currently up in the air around Brexit may have been settled one way or another, so their platform will be constructed around different policy circumstances.

                  Five weeks does seem quite short for a selection process though –*there doesn't seem much consistency around how those are run at the moment – although long processes are brutal and unfair on those without the means and time to see them through. PPC selections can be as draining as actual elections.

                  Of course, Alexander didn't have to resign in the first place.

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                    Alexander could have probably got a job back if she'd wanted it. I assume she doesn't, so might as well resign. It's a good job, probably 6 years in it.

                    I wasn't meaning to push "Corbyn loyalist" too far. As you say, if it's even accurate, it could mean all sorts. But the EEA would I think be a rallying point.

                    Anneliese Dodds in Oxford East might be making a few problems for herself by being "loyal" on Brexit.

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                      Also, are we gonna have a weekly diet of Labour-right pissing and moaning about selection procedures to the papers every time the outcome doesn't look like going their way? How short do they think people's memories of how these things were run when they were in charge are?

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                        I hope not. I noted Richard Angell came up, but also the CLP chair didn't sound very happy. You don't have to put a rightwinger in that seat, but I'd like Labour to avoid the Hard Brexit elephant trap in this seat.

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                          I don't think i’ve ever met a non- gammon who cares as much about Brexit as Tubby. I’m sure he’s not alone but most left- and centre-leaning people I come across see it as something that really can’t be avoided. It’s more “what are we going to do in post-Brexit hell?” When it all goes to shit, of course, the Labour Party will be able to make hay...

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                            It's happening for sure, but Soft Brexit isn't too bad- ie only takes 4% off the GDP of North East England.

                            Talking of which, 5 NE Labour MPs have called for a vote on the deal. I think that's a bad idea.

                            In other seats, an EEA abstainer would be fine. In Lewisham East, if that's what Labour gets, it's not good.

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                              Originally posted by HeavyDracula View Post
                              I don't think i’ve ever met a non- gammon who cares as much about Brexit as Tubby. I’m sure he’s not alone but most left- and centre-leaning people I come across see it as something that really can’t be avoided. It’s more “what are we going to do in post-Brexit hell?” When it all goes to shit, of course, the Labour Party will be able to make hay...
                              That seems completely weird to me. Almost everyone I know who's politically engaged is massively concerned about Brexit. The only people on the left who don't seem to be concerned are Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet and a very small handful of their supporters.

                              Everyone else seems to think the failure to the main opposition to make any case on how Brexit should be handled allows the Tory Party free reign to handle it terribly and then argue that there was no alternative. Nobody in the opposition seems to be disagreeing with Gove and Rees-Mogg when they say that Britain comprehensively rejected the Single Market, or Free Movement, or the Customs Union - which allows that idiocy to become accepted fact.

                              I also think the argument that "We should let the Tories fuck it up, then we can come to power" is amazingly parochial. Positively Blairite as a cynical strategy where the important thing is trying to get power, rather than trying to get the best outcome.

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                                I don't think that's the argument people are making. More it's "the Tories fucking it up is the best and most likely way of it actually fucking up". Though I do think Labour should oppose the various bits of nonsense coming down the line in the Commons.

                                A more common position is that the only way this can be undone is the same way it was done. And that's with some form of democratic mandate

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                                  Originally posted by E10 Rifle View Post

                                  A more common position is that the only way this can be undone is the same way it was done. And that's with some form of democratic mandate
                                  Which would require the major opposition party to either stand for undoing it in an election, or at least have a referendum on undoing it in their platform. There's not a hint of that, yet.

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                                    I don’t know anyone like those who Heavy Dracula describes either, but do genuinely wonder whether that is primarily a reflection of the circles in which I’ve travelled for decades. It would be interesting to know if those circles are particularly unrepresentative on this question (they certainly are on others). If that is the case, perhaps the group of “people on the left” that SB describes is not as small as we think.

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                                      I don't think a second democratic mandate can undo it, really. We were all on here feeling utterly shit the day after the referendum, because we felt strongly there was no getting away from the result. Mitigate it, that's what can be done, and there was a chance to vote for mitigating this week in the Lords that Labour passed up. We've since been told by Milne (I assume) that it's going to pass that opportunity up when it comes back to the Commons. It might change its mind on that, and the Tories don't seem in any hurry to take up the challenge. But change its mind, it will need to do.

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                                        That position makes absolutely no sense to me (and also runs counter to how referenda are treated everywhere else I’m aware of), but then it isn’t the first time you’ve left me completely baffled.

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                                          The circles I move on have largely accepted it's going to happen, and that - as a divided party of opposition (divided along ideological as well as representing "pro" and "anti" Brexit communities) - there's little to be done to mitigate what's going to happen. Any position taken up by the leadership will be shot at by the Tories and their own PLP. What's being done instead is concentrating on getting the message across that Labour is the party to steer us into better waters, and that can only be done by having more Labour MPs. I'm working on getting 2 MPs elected in Northampton (even though one of them is Blairite as fuck) because only a Labour majority will save us now, and Brexit doesn't really seem to be an issue to the average voter. Everything else is just noise.

                                          Like everyone else, I accept my circles may be echo chambers.

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                                            The average voter seems thick as fuck in Britain tbh. Just cos people aren’t talking about it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be mitigated. A proper opposition would be nudging the public, not giving into their blasé just get on with it stupidity. Guess that’s why Thornberry is still talking shite on immigration- focus groups still determining policy like the old days). The party are either blind to economic disaster coming with Hard Brexit or are cynical fucks (and it probably won’t work- people are less risk inclined when the economy is tanking- why jump from the fire to a Corbyn Inferno will be a lot of folks’ thinking)

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                                              I don't know many Labour MPs who are going to die in a ditch against the Single Market. There's the deeply unpleasant group of Stringer, Field and Hoey, who are old and don't give a fuck. The others ought to be whippable. If (eg) Caroline Flint wants to stay an MP (she can retire tmrw, as far as I'm concerned), how does she fancy explaining jobs carnage to her constituents?

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                                                I'm more concerned by the socialism-in-one-country parochial tendency on free movement of people than the single market issue. There's been far too much equivocation on that

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                                                  It's free rein, not reign (I've been hanging with Ad Hoc and Guy P on the Xword pedantry thread).

                                                  At the very local level I was in Castle Bromwich (Birmingham Nicepart by M6 J5). The Left there is largely the 42% who swung Tory to Green because bins potholes and dogshit. They dont mention Brexshit

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                                                    Originally posted by E10 Rifle View Post
                                                    I'm more concerned by the socialism-in-one-country parochial tendency on free movement of people than the single market issue. There's been far too much equivocation on that
                                                    Yeah, I think that's the most worrying part. If Labour backs the Single Market (including free movement) in an "economy stupid" kind of way, the atmosphere is likely to be poisonous. Work needs to be done.

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