Yeah we have it in law and business, and I know some of those meanings, but they didn’t really seem to fit the political context.
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In academic and political disputes, I think it's broader than dishonesty because it can mean double mindedness, where the person is carrying around two political selves depending on the scenario. For example, Blair may have had one consciousness that genuinely believed Iraq had WMD but must also have had a rational brain telling him the evidence he was seeing was not as convincing as he wanted it to be. Christopher Hitchens kept finding ways to believe the Americans were acting responsibly in Iraq.
This ability to switch between two selves and not reconcile them is a bigger thing than dishonesty towards others. One self is lying to the other inside the same skin. Denial is quite a common example - the defendant who convinces himself he is innocent despite the smoking gun.
I also think you can resolve your own dilemma by not trying to boil it down to a formula but see it instead as a category that can involve ambiguities.Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 06-07-2019, 15:36.
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FWIW I only used 'bad faith' because Nef used it earlier in the thread, and I thought it sounded clever.
It covers more than just lying or broader dishonesty. It encompasses a general cynicism about the means as long as the ends are considered acceptable. In the current case, the end seems to be putting Corbyn and the left back where they belong and allegations of anti-Semitism are the means of accomplishing that.
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Meanwhile in the Progress parish newspaper. https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ment-130836949
This prompted a further thought: how easy it would be to construct a pretty decent cabinet from Labour’s backbenches: Jess Phillips, Seema Malhotra, Owen Smith, Stephen Kinnock, Gloria De Piero, Angela Eagle and David Lammy for a start.
And that is before we get to this beauty that should never be forgotten. This is his and his supporters reaction to the success of the Party in the General Election.
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Originally posted by TonTon View PostHas Angela Eagle announced her leadership campaign yet? It's been a year or two hasn't it?
Before the referendum, I recall her praising Conrbyn's efforts for remain - quoted somewhere in a Guardian live blog at the time. Then when the referendum result went in, she did an about face and seemed to forget how vigorously she had been praising Corbyn just days before. Somewhere, she was not telling the truth.
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Originally posted by George C. View PostEagle was in a contest against her twin?
Any long-term female successor to Corbyn is going to be the likes of Long-Bailey or Rayner surely...
Seems to have principles, which might be a stumbling block.
Dunno if she's any good at all, but a cursory inspection seems promising. Can she speak without making people clutch their ears and beg her to stop, and without saying anything too stupid?
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- Jun 2017
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- A long way from Utopia.
- India, Ireland & numerous, numerous ABscenarios...
- Far too many, currently...
Originally posted by Lurgee View Post
I'd put a sly tenner on Rushanara Ali. Ticks multiple diversity boxes, which will play well with the Guardian. Rock solid majority. One of Corbyn's original backers, which will play well with the left. Lack of recent shadow cabinet experience may actually help her as she won't be associated with anti-Semitism mess and the Corbyn project, which will play well with the middle ground.
Seems to have principles, which might be a stumbling block.
Dunno if she's any good at all, but a cursory inspection seems promising. Can she speak without making people clutch their ears and beg her to stop, and without saying anything too stupid?
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Originally posted by Snake Plissken View PostMeanwhile in the Progress parish newspaper. https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ment-130836949
Leaving aside the absolutely fucking awful Jess Phillips, the frankly inoffensive Owen Smith and Aaargh Eagle, anyone... anyone who thinks that Stephen Kinnock is capable of doing anything more complicated than tying his own shoelaces, let alone be in a fucking Cabinet should be dismissed as a complete lunatic. I mean, Jesus fucking Christ.
And that is before we get to this beauty that should never be forgotten. This is his and his supporters reaction to the success of the Party in the General Election.
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- Jun 2017
- 2959
- A long way from Utopia.
- India, Ireland & numerous, numerous ABscenarios...
- Far too many, currently...
Originally posted by Duncan Gardner View PostMake your mind up. So far this month you've already written off India beating Lanka at the CWC and a Muslim woman leading Labour before 2069
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Originally posted by Lobachevsky View PostPresumably Labour not being 20 points ahead of the Tories is about something more substantial than the Daily Mail being beastly.
Which Labour politicians command support across the party?
The BBC is certainly a contributor as it will play up Labour divisions more than Tory ones.
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