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    UK should begin decriminalising drugs....

    says Mr Branson and Mr Clegg....

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/03/uk-should-begin-decriminalising-drugs-richard-branson-nick-clegg

    Sir Richard Branson and Nick Clegg are urging the UK to begin decriminalising the use and possession of almost all drugs, following the example of Portugal.

    The Virgin founder and deputy prime minister are to address a conference on fighting drug addiction on Wednesday, and in a Guardian article they argue that the “war on drugs” has failed.

    “As an investment, the war on drugs has failed to deliver any returns,” they write. “If it were a business, it would have been shut down a long time ago. This is not what success looks like.

    We have been losing the war on drugs for four decades – end it now

    Nick Clegg and Richard Branson

    Read more

    “The idea of eradicating drugs from the world by waging a war on those who use them is fundamentally flawed for one simple reason: it doesn’t reduce drug taking.

    “The Home Office’s own research, commissioned by Liberal Democrats in government and published a few months ago, found there is no apparent correlation between the ‘toughness’ of a country’s approach and the prevalence of adult drug use.

    “This devastating conclusion means that we are wasting our scarce resources, and on a grand scale.”
    In Clegg’s clearest endorsement of the Portuguese experiment, they say: “We should look to Portugal which removed criminal penalties for drug possession in 2001.

    “Portugal’s reforms have not – as many predicted – led to an increase in drug use. Instead, they have allowed resources to be re-directed towards the treatment system, with dramatic reductions in addiction, HIV infections and drug-related deaths.

    “Drugs remain illegal and socially unacceptable, as they should be, but drug users are dealt with through the civil rather than the criminal law.

    “Anyone who is arrested for drug possession is immediately assessed and sent for treatment or education. If they fail to engage, they have to pay a fine.”

    Portuguese citizens are allowed to purchase and possess 1g of heroin, 2g of cocaine, 25g of marijuana leaves or 5g of hashish.

    They write: “The Portuguese system works, and on an issue as important as this, where lives are at stake, governments cannot afford to ignore the evidence. We should set up pilots to test and develop a British version of the Portuguese model.”

    But the Centre for Social Justice, a charity closely associated with the work and pensions secretary, Iain Duncan Smith, claimed charities on the front line in the struggle against drug addiction are opposed to decriminalisation.

    In recent CSJ research, nearly three-quarters of charities surveyed were concerned about the effect cannabis use had on their clients and families. More than half (56%) felt the decriminalisation of cannabis would lead to an increase in its use. Less than a quarter (23%) thought it would not.

    Commenting on the findings, Christian Guy, director of the CSJ, said: “Drug addiction is ripping Britain’s poorest communities apart. Our network of 300 front-line charities sees this on a daily basis.

    “Many are right to be worried that liberalising cannabis laws will lead to more people taking drugs and developing harder use.

    “Politicians need to listen to these experts. They are the people who witness the devastating impact of drugs in our poorest neighbourhoods day in, day out.”
    Decriminalisation is a good start, legalisation and a licensing of both soft and hard drugs should be the final aim.

    If drugs were licensed , as in one registers as a user and gets a secure ID / photo card and buys them from say from the Chemist, then a form of rationing / non hoarding / trading can be built in .

    I don't take drugs but agree with change however total freedom of purchase does not seem the way to go as a first step.

    If 'safe limits' , say 'x' grams of Cocaine or 'y' grams of Cannabis can be bought at rationed intervals each month at prices and purity to compete ( put out of business ) illegal dealers then we might get somewhere.

    Combine this with a large scale COI advertising campaign and drug education lectures in school and I would imagine that drug use might well go down as it becomes less edgy and less clever.

    Taxation revenues would be ??? but very significant too.

    Backing all of this there would need to be strong penalties for supplying under age users or for abuse of the licensing system.

    But the crux of the argument for me is seeing these 'heroin', 'crack' and 'meth' peddling street dealers off our estates, away from our schools and out of our bars and nightclubs.

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    UK should begin decriminalising drugs....

    "say Mr Branson and Mr Clegg".

    Honestly, youth.

    You're not going to win many arguments on here with sloppy grammar like that.

    (Smileface-winking-type thing.)

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      UK should begin decriminalising drugs....

      For all intents and purposes they are being decriminalised. Whether walking down the aromatic streets of anycity UK or watching those dart off at dinner parties, there's not much in the visible law stopping those who choose to do it.

      It seems a case of those cultivating and trafficking it are law breakers, but those causing the demand aren't.

      I wonder how often off-duty police have to cock a deaf'un or pretend they didn't see something when they're going about their everyday socialising?

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        I wonder how often off-duty police have to cock a deaf'un or pretend they didn't see something when they're going about their everyday socialising?
        I wonder how many are banging the odd line here and there themselves.

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          #5
          UK should begin decriminalising drugs....

          With decriminalisation, there could be more candid discussion, which would be better for education and harm reduction.

          Maybe one day we could get ethically-sourced organic fair trade drugs, the business stinks at the moment.

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            MsD wrote: Maybe one day we could get ethically-sourced organic fair trade drugs, the business stinks at the moment.
            I'm curious as to how you make organic amphetamines, ecstasy and LSD? And do heroin and cocaine contain pesticide residues?

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              Stumpy Pepys wrote: I'm curious as to how you make organic amphetamines, ecstasy and LSD?
              I'm even more curious about how one would go about making inorganic versions!

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                UK should begin decriminalising drugs....

                Is there a "safe" levle of heroin consumption? or lsd?

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                  seand wrote: Is there a "safe" levle of heroin consumption? or lsd?
                  Long-term heroin use is relatively benign, assuming its of pharmaceutical quality and you don't overdose.

                  Gives you chronic constipation though and I think it kills your libido.

                  There are some issues with the practicalities of injecting over long periods of time (this also applies to patients in palliative care environments).

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                    #10
                    UK should begin decriminalising drugs....

                    The Dáil has to recriminalise many drugs tonight, as a court ruling means that qat, ecstasy and crystal meth are legal as of now.

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                      UK should begin decriminalising drugs....

                      Diable Rouge wrote: The Dáil has to recriminalise many drugs tonight, as a court ruling means that qat, ecstasy and crystal meth are legal as of now.
                      And precisely what manner of nonsense is "12am on Thursday" supposed to mean?

                      (Hopefully your legislators won't cock this one up too by specifying a non-existent time like your fourth estate has managed.)

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                        Janik wrote:
                        Originally posted by Stumpy Pepys
                        I'm curious as to how you make organic amphetamines, ecstasy and LSD?
                        I'm even more curious about how one would go about making inorganic versions!
                        Eh? There's a pedantic point to be made about (virtually) all food being organic, but how do you make out that these entirely synthetic substances are?

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                          Toro Toro wrote:
                          Originally posted by Janik
                          Originally posted by Stumpy Pepys
                          I'm curious as to how you make organic amphetamines, ecstasy and LSD?
                          I'm even more curious about how one would go about making inorganic versions!
                          Eh? There's a pedantic point to be made about (virtually) all food being organic, but how do you make out that these entirely synthetic substances are?
                          All compounds containing carbon are organic.

                          "Organic Chemistry" = "Chemistry of [usually complex] compounds containing carbon"

                          (And no. You're not being pedantic)

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                            Guy Potger wrote: All compounds containing carbon are organic.

                            "Organic Chemistry" = "Chemistry of [usually complex] compounds containing carbon"
                            We know.

                            The original comment, however, referred to organic farming.

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                              UK should begin decriminalising drugs....

                              Diable Rouge wrote: The Dáil has to recriminalise many drugs tonight, as a court ruling means that qat, ecstasy and crystal meth are legal as of now.
                              For a short period magic mushrooms could be openly sold in shops here because of a legal muck up.

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                                #16
                                UK should begin decriminalising drugs....

                                Guy Potger wrote:
                                Originally posted by Diable Rouge
                                The Dáil has to recriminalise many drugs tonight, as a court ruling means that qat, ecstasy and crystal meth are legal as of now.
                                And precisely what manner of nonsense is "12am on Thursday" supposed to mean?

                                (Hopefully your legislators won't cock this one up too by specifying a non-existent time like your fourth estate has managed.)
                                12am on Thursday is pretty clearly midnight on Thursday, i.e. Wednesday into Thursday, the first instant of Thursday, 00:00 hours. 12pm is midday, incidentally.

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