Leon Brittan

[Nefertiti2]

Leon Brittan

NHH wrote:

If anyone has any actual knowledge of Brittan's involvement beyond repeating Twitter gossip then bring it on. I'd love to read it.

You seem to have a lot to say about Ched Evans without being in the fucking room with him.

I just said that in my opinion he should be allowed to play football. It's an opinion. I've never disputed the facts of the case.

How does your logic go? Cyril Smith was a paedophile, therefore Leon Brittan must be.

[David Agnew]

Leon Brittan

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-seize-vip-list-in-dawn-1546351

This list is quite available on the net.
Leon Brittan's name is on it. Top of the list in fact. Cyril Smith's name is second on it, we're not doubting his paedophilia are we?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex-tory-cabinet-minister-caught-2903907

This, is of course, Brittan, photographed wearing a French Maid's hat with a naked fourteen year old boy on his lap.

Maybe we should use a source that nefertiti believes: https://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/was-leon-brittan-a-paedophile/

[Nefertiti2]

Leon Brittan

NHH wrote:

Actually Private Eye had Cyril Smith in 1979

Well informed as ever.

Actually, they didn't. Rochdale Alternative Press had it. Private Eye covered it once. Ingrams let it go. Foot never went back to it. Which was a shame, because loads of people were abused between 79 and the cunt's death.

So "covering it" means 'not covering it". I see,

Clearly there has been a huge amount of corruption involving child abuse with the probable connivance of the secret services in Kincora, Bryn Alyn and probably at Elmbridge too. But it doesn't necessarily mean that every name mentioned is guilty. Maybe Brittan was guilty. But Foot's opinion was that Brittan was smeared. For me he got enough right to wait for a bit more evidence. But of course you know the truth.

[Nefertiti2]

Leon Brittan

David Agnew wrote: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-seize-vip-list-in-dawn-1546351

This list is quite available on the net.
Leon Brittan's name is on it. Top of the list in fact. Cyril Smith's name is second on it, we're not doubting his paedophilia are we?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex-tory-cabinet-minister-caught-2903907

This, is of course, Brittan, photographed wearing a French Maid's hat with a naked fourteen year old boy on his lap.

Maybe we should use a source that nefertiti believes: https://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/was-leon-brittan-a-paedophile/

Have you seen the picture of Brittan?

Why doesn't the needleblog refer to it? Presumably because the writer doesn't think it can be substantiated.

As he goes on to say:

If the victim at Elm Guest House speaks out then that allegation can be substantiated, if documentation exists, as it should, that Leon Brittan was stopped by a customs officer trying to enter the UK with indecent images, that too can be substantiated.

I'll wait for the evidence, thanks. I know some find that a curiously old-fashioned attitude

[G-Man]

Leon Brittan

Absent proof, surely the greater issue is not whether Brittan committed acts of sexual abuse of minors, but how he managed to suppress and then lose the Dickens dossier.

If he wasn't a paedophile himself, then accusations that he covered up paedophilia cannot be simply dismissed. He can't be given an easy ride; there are very open questions.

[Geoffrey de Ste. Croix]

Leon Brittan

The Daily Telegraph journalist who wrote a late 1980's report on a senior Conservative who got off scot free after being caught with child pornography videos at Dover has named the senior Conservative as Leon Brittan.

“Almost a year ago I interviewed a very senior detective who was handling the Brittan investigation. He was very clear that the Customs Officer (referred to above) had made a clear and credible statement about stopping Brittan at Dover, and seizing child pornography video tapes from him. The Customs Officer stated that he viewed the tapes and was able to describe what was on them.

That statement is – or should be – still held at the Metropolitan Police station from which the investigation was conducted.

I believe that it is essential that the historic child abuse enquiry – assuming it survives – is given a copy of the statement.” – Tim Tate

EDIT: Tate didn't write the 80s report as I said above but the Telegraph one linked from July last year.

[Antepli Ejderha]

Leon Brittan

Bit of a drastic move this to avoid prosecution.

[Vicarious Thrillseeker]

Leon Brittan

Antepli Ejderha wrote: Bit of a drastic move this to avoid prosecution.

I'm quite excited, as I have him in a double with Tony Blair.

[DCI Harry Batt]

Leon Brittan

Have we decided yet if he's guilty?

[Duncan Gardner]

Leon Brittan

Lightening the mood a little:

And if you count up all the spots on all the cards, you get 365- exactly the same as the number of spots on my bottom

[DCI Harry Batt]

Leon Brittan

Nice.

The Spitting Image sketch with him in I remember is where he's having to tell Thatcher she can't do something because it's illegal. Miners' strike time?

[Lucy Waterman]

Leon Brittan

If Nef is our Katie Hopkins, when does he have his Celebrity Big Brother-style re-humanisation episode?

[caja-dglh]

Leon Brittan

I give this thread to page five before someone gets called a paedophile apologist.

[Lucy Waterman]

Leon Brittan

Lucy Waterman wrote: Any other SWPers whose word you take as gospel, Nef?

Sort-of apologies for this - I kind of had a point about Foot - defined as much by his revolutionary socialism as his investigative journalism - being a surprising bedfellow for Nef, but it comes across as mean-spirited to any decent former SWPers on here.

[Nefertiti2]

Leon Brittan

Lucy Waterman wrote: If Nef is our Katie Hopkins, when does he have his Celebrity Big Brother-style re-humanisation episode?

I admired Paul Foot as an investigative journalist with a pretty good strike rate, (including into paedophile scandals at the Kincora boys home and their connection with MI5, and the fitting up of Colin Wallace.)

If he doubted the allegations, having investigated them, (unlike anyone on here as far as I'm aware) then I consider that relevant. In fact he thought it was an MI5 smear. He wasn't a lover of MI5 but perhaps you're going to reveal he was a double agent. All i've asked is for some evidence. at least GdSC posted some evidence in response. The rest of you seem to have nothing at your disposal but "everyone knows" and of course "play the man" tactics. Pathetic really. But par for the course.

[DCI Harry Batt]

Leon Brittan

Lucy Waterman wrote:

Any other SWPers whose word you take as gospel, Nef?

Sort-of apologies for this - I kind of had a point about Foot - defined as much by his revolutionary socialism as his investigative journalism - being a surprising bedfellow for Nef, but it comes across as mean-spirited to any decent former SWPers on here.

None taken.

[imp]

Leon Brittan

I love the fact that this thread reads on the World front page as Leon Brittan by Vicarious Thrillseeker.

Paedo or not, can't we all just please be thankful that this world class cunt is dead?

[NHH]

Leon Brittan

I take my cue from the fact that David Hencke is working on the case for Exaro, and I respect him a lot. It's clear as daylight that Brittan's been in their sights for much of this, so I guess we'll see who was right between Foot and Hencke.

[DCI Harry Batt]

Leon Brittan

He is now the only good Tory!

[NHH]

Leon Brittan

imp wrote: I love the fact that this thread reads on the World front page as Leon Brittan by Vicarious Thrillseeker.

Paedo or not, can't we all just please be thankful that this world class cunt is dead?

Indeed. He was Home Secretary when the miners were on strike, and thus responsible for the way the police behaved. Cunt.

[Hamish! Dougal!]

Leon Brittan

Turns out it wasn't cancer, he had a stroke on the Children's Ward.

[Borracho]

Leon Brittan

Nefertiti2 wrote:

If Nef is our Katie Hopkins, when does he have his Celebrity Big Brother-style re-humanisation episode?

I admired Paul Foot as an investigative journalist with a pretty good strike rate, (including into paedophile scandals at the Kincora boys home and their connection with MI5, and the fitting up of Colin Wallace.)

If he doubted the allegations, having investigated them, (unlike anyone on here as far as I'm aware) then I consider that relevant. In fact he thought it was an MI5 smear. He wasn't a lover of MI5 but perhaps you're going to reveal he was a double agent. All i've asked is for some evidence. at least GdSC posted some evidence in response. The rest of you seem to have nothing at your disposal but "everyone knows" and of course "play the man" tactics. Pathetic really. But par for the course.

For someone who repeatedly proclaims that this message board is the online equivalent of a farmyard latrine, you seem to frequent the place noticeably frequently.

[G-Man]

Leon Brittan

Nefertiti2 wrote:
All i've asked is for some evidence. at least GdSC posted some evidence in response. The rest of you seem to have nothing at your disposal but "everyone knows" and of course "play the man" tactics. Pathetic really. But par for the course.

"the rest of you"? That's a pretty broad sweep there, Nef. "Par for the course"? If you find this place lacking in standards, you know where the door is. But if you actually like this place, some respect for its members (generally; you can continue to not respect me) would be appropriate.

Anyway, do you have any views on the suppression of the Dickens dossier?

[Nefertiti2]

Leon Brittan

by "the rest of you"I though it self-evident that I meant "the rest of you who commented" in contrast to the commenter I named, who provided some evidence rather than attacking me because I have different views on whether Ched Evans should be able to play football.

The dossier - despite the fact that their title contains the word "SECRETARY" I dont think Home Secretaries do their own filing, so if it disappeared it needn't necessarily be Brittan's responsibility. This is a point raised by Tom Pride who claims that Sir Brian Cubbon, Brittan’s private secretary at the time of the meeting, has close links to MI5 and MI6.

You'll recall that Foot thought the allegations against Brittan were an MI5 smear.

Incidentally it seems extraordinary to me that Dickens, or his lawyer, didn't keep a copy.

To be clear (and as I've stated already) there were very troubling abuse cases, especially at the children homes's I've mentioned, possibly involving senior figures and with the tacit or active involvement of the security services. However not all abuse was part of this conspiracy nor is every name mentioned in connection necessarily guilty. Sexual smears are one of the techniques used by the security services, precisely because they're the hardest to respond to and public opinion can be convinced there's no smoke without fire.

[Come along, Min]

Leon Brittan

Whilst not agreeing with everything you write Nef, I've enjoyed your contribution here and on the Charlie Hebdo thread. It's made the overall conversation more interesting, less one-sided.