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    https://twitter.com/laurabronner/status/1363862006726590471

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      https://twitter.com/edgeofsports/status/1365302690646024201?s=21

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        https://twitter.com/latstetter/status/1370029548910358529

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          Been meaning to ask you Ursus, what do you think of the George Floyd trial so far and especially the Jury selection.

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            Sorry, but I really haven't t been following it closely

            What I have seen gives me significant pause, of course

            As to the jury, I'm rather surprised that this guy was seated

            The sole juror picked on Thursday described himself as an outgoing, family-oriented soccer fan for whom the prospect of the trial was “kind of exciting”.

            The man said he was also a fan of true crime podcasts and TV shows. He acknowledged under questioning from the defense attorney Eric Nelson that he had a “very negative” impression of Chauvin. The man wrote on his questionnaire that he had seen the widely viewed bystander video of Floyd “desperately screaming that he couldn’t breathe” even as other officers stood by and bystanders shouted that Chauvin was killing Floyd.

            Yet asked whether he could set his opinions aside and stick to the evidence presented in court, he replied: “I’m willing to see all the evidence and everything, hear witnesses.”
            Last edited by ursus arctos; 12-03-2021, 00:55.

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              Also this Third Degree Murder ruling strikes me as a way to convict Chauvin of "murder" without him incurring the requisite penalty (the other cop got 12.5 years, but is expected to serve only a portion of that)

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                https://twitter.com/theappeal/status/1370189801471741960

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                  https://twitter.com/sh4keer/status/1370108859407241217

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                    Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
                    Sorry, but I really haven't t been following it closely

                    What I have seen gives me significant pause, of course

                    As to the jury, I'm rather surprised that this guy was seated
                    Looks like a fix.

                    Some of the questions they were asking the Jury seemed wierd, you could ptentially exclude them regardless of the answer.
                    https://www.twincities.com/2021/03/1...-george-floyd/

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                      If you want to go full tin foil hat, consider the ideas that the Minnesota Supreme Court's surprising decision on the definition of third degree murder was designed to facilitate the initial conviction of Chauvin and other murderous cops only to have those convictions thrown out in a couple of years when a future court decides that this one was wrong

                      The jury selection process here strikes virtually everyone who observes it i from the outside as strange, and it unquestionably is.

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                        Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
                        If you want to go full tin foil hat, consider the ideas that the Minnesota Supreme Court's surprising decision on the definition of third degree murder was designed to facilitate the initial conviction of Chauvin and other murderous cops only to have those convictions thrown out in a couple of years when a future court decides that this one was wrong

                        The jury selection process here strikes virtually everyone who observes it i from the outside as strange, and it unquestionably is.
                        Ha, and the city have awarded the family 27 million in compensation which seems like pretty strange timing as this surely implies guilt/liability and prejudices the criminal case?
                        Regardless, I am sure the family and their lawyers Meritt and Crump (whichever ambulance chaser they have representing them) will be preaching all this forgiveness talk.

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                          The standards in civil and criminal cases are significantly different (preponderance of the evidence vs beyond a reasonable doubt:, and often gross negligence vs intentional action) and it is very common for police who have avoided criminal liability to pay very significant civil settlements (which are sometimes funded by insurance).

                          That said, this settlement is large by those standards and it is more common foe the civil case to follow, rather than precede the civil one.

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                            Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
                            The standards in civil and criminal cases are significantly different (preponderance of the evidence vs beyond a reasonable doubt:, and often gross negligence vs intentional action) and it is very common for police who have avoided criminal liability to pay very significant civil settlements (which are sometimes funded by insurance).

                            That said, this settlement is large by those standards and it is more common foe the civil case to follow, rather than precede the civil one.
                            I agree with that, I was commenting more on the timing, As the criminal case is about to start, you would think they would have sorted this out either months before the criminal case or after it's conclusion.
                            I am not sure this would happen in the UK.

                            I can see this police officer getting off or an "unsafe" conviction.

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                              Of course he's going to get off. I'm surprised that anyone thinks otherwise.

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                                Well, the primary reasons to think that he won't walk are

                                1) the facts and video evidence are particularly horrific (even by the execrable standards of US police brutality) - a fact that is reflected in the massive civil settlement; and

                                2) that a Twin Cities jury has recently convicted a cop of murder (though a Somali cop who shot a white Australian tourist, which of course unfortunately matters).

                                I would be surprised by an acquittal. A conviction on a lesser charge (either manslaughter or third degree murder) or a mistrial are more likely outcomes in my book.

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                                  Originally posted by Gangster Octopus View Post
                                  Of course he's going to get off. I'm surprised that anyone thinks otherwise.
                                  It depends what you mean by "get off".
                                  If he is found not guilty, it will confirm internationally the joke that is the US legal system. Even worse than the officers who battered Rodney King.

                                  I suspect like the Botham Jean case, he will be found guilty and get a token slap on the wrist sentence of 5-10 years, the family will be paid off, people will quote Dr king out of context and everyone will move on.

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                                    Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
                                    Well, the primary reasons to think that he won't walk are

                                    2) that a Twin Cities jury has recently convicted a cop of murder (though a Somali cop who shot a white Australian tourist, which of course unfortunately matters).
                                    The police unions, thin blue line, blue lives matter crew were relatively muted on this and he arguably had a better reason to "kill" the person than Derek Chavin.

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                                      If anyone was still wondering whether TG was right to focus on the jury selection process

                                      https://twitter.com/epicciuto/status/1371553617044512776

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                                        Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
                                        If anyone was still wondering whether TG was right to focus on the jury selection process
                                        Ursus, it gets worse, much worse.

                                        Do you remember when I said this last week?

                                        Originally posted by Tactical Genius View Post
                                        the city have awarded the family 27 million in compensation which seems like pretty strange timing as this surely implies guilt/liability and prejudices the criminal case?

                                        Well, it didn't take long............
                                        https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ed/4642884001/

                                        The first potential juror questioned Monday was excused after immediately noting headlines Friday about city leaders approving a $27 million civil settlement in Floyd's death — something the potential juror said indicated to her as the city being unable to win the lawsuit. The issue is something Chauvin's attorneys raised as potentially preventing a fair trial.
                                        I guess throwing the case at the grand jury was too obvious so they are leaving enough holes any half decent lawyer can exploit in an appeals challenge.

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                                          https://twitter.com/TasneemN/status/1371503826059022337

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                                            I guess the LA Sheriffs gangs came up in a different thread. But I'll put this here:

                                            https://www.courthousenews.com/la-sh...-deputy-gangs/

                                            Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva says he will not honor a subpoena from the county inspector general, suing to block the county from forcing him to sit down for an interview on what he knows about “deputy gangs” within the sheriff’s ranks.

                                            Villanueva filed his petition Monday calling the subpoena “too broad, harassing” and said as the head of a government agency he’s not subject to depositions.
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                                            “Rather than use a less intrusive means of obtaining information, such as a series of questions or interviewing lower legal sheriff personnel who are involved in the day-to-day implementation of the policies and practices of the sheriff’s department, the inspector general is leap-frogging right to the top and threatening Sheriff Villanueva that ‘any statement you make during our meeting may be used in a future criminal proceeding against you,’” Villanueva says.

                                            The sheriff says Huntsman’s office needs to show compelling reasons for the deposition and there should be limitations on the questions. Because he is the head of an agency, Villanueva says he generally would not be subject to a deposition, which should only be granted under “extraordinary circumstances.”

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                                              https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1376652437164019716

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                                                Is there a prisons thread?



                                                https://twitter.com/kmoxmaria/status/1378901094273703937?s=20

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                                                  https://twitter.com/savannahshange/status/1378960914175520771?s=20

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